off-chain bitcoin is scary

it's also less secure

```Just the circumstantial evidence, they are building a banking layer on top of bitcoin. And demand to use it is expected to be enhanced by limiting on chain transactions.
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Ah, understand now. So is this going to actually gain traction or will people against LN be ignored as normies go for the less secure but slightly easier option backed by a large company?

crypto normies and staunch anti-Cashers/pro-Core folks will defend LN viciously

I used to be pro segwit and anti cash but now im seeing this and it is scary

segwit is good but what it helps make possible is not

I fear that we will venture into an ERC-20 ecosystem and a Segwit/LN-ecosystem

qtum pls moon

https://www.axa.com

big money, do you want their dick in your Bitcoin Core/

I honestly see less reason to trust Qtum than BtC

yeah qtum is funded by big gook money

i just dont like Ethereum

because of Vitalik and how retarded he is

also his platform sucks ass

non-existient scaling, another hardfork incoming (casper), high fees for moving tokens, not a store of value -- has a high value

censorship

mutibility

Wonder if there is going to be another platform like early bitcoin.

He'll, I wonder if people would even use it, fucking normies, I swear

bitcoin is literally unusable

once we get into working decentralized exchanges and shit like 0x or even LN Atomic Swaps we can start seeing real world usage

"Oh, I accept ARK payments"

"ok, let me swap my Bitbean for Ark"

this is the timeline where bitbean surpasses bitcoin

Meh, real world application is too insecure, you involve physical interaction and something will get lost because you need to make it at least kind of normies friendly

Always saw it as a stash for online goods and maybe investment

fiat cash will always be easier

people use apple pay

it could work the same

just with QR code instead of NFC

True, hence why I don't see why you would try to make crypto more like fiat

it doesnt have to be like fiat

i never said that

I meant more as a general way to pay for everyday things.

Just seems like a hassle doing it FtF

I dont think so

what issues could you encounter

lets say its a well designed wallet for a coin with less than 5sec txns