Consider Taiwan, for the cleaner China experience

that's actually really nice

if i get a visa and a lot of money i will go there

what's your home country?

Taiwan is visa free for most of the world

They are very liberal. I can stay permanently without any further permit by just extending my tourist stamp by flying out and in every 90 days. Not many countries are so liberal to allow this

Poland

if i get lucky i may get korean citizenship in 5 years

AFAIK the whole EU is visa free to Taiwan

oh shiiii-

it's still a lot of money involved, but i got the basics covered

two months of Taiwan with my gf were about 7000$ but we stayed in hotels most of the time and we took a few flights to islands nearby

that's

are you living in Korea or how are you hoping for citizenship?

that's more than my entire life savings

i used to live there, got an ldr with a qt korean grill

how would that grant you citizenship?

I thought they don't grant citizenship through marriage

after 2 years

and if naturalized

at least I know a Swiss guy who's been living in Korea for 27 years now with his Korean wife and his application for citizenship was always denied

ah

that's practice

i only know theory

that sucks tho

if swiss were denied, what about the poor poor slavs

from what I heard, you have to look like one to be considered part of the society

Taiwan is even worse: there's no citizenship for spouses, end of story

it may be not worse

if there's no hope

Korea seems like a poor man's Japan

How far off am I <:thenk:329322130804047872>

quite far

because the poor japanese have a sense of pride and honor

that's something even the highest class koreans don't have

At least they have the work culture and jumping off of tower blocks culture in common <:hyperthonk:327934332545007617>

koreans don't jump off tower blocks

only bridges

because if you jump from a building you will probably land on a pile of trash and survive

Culturally and economically poor

Wonder if the chinks are ever going to measure up