Message from @grant

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2019-09-30 09:12:42 UTC  

so if people just start beating up say ben shapiro and he gets afraid to talk politics because it you'd be okay with that?

2019-09-30 09:13:22 UTC  

might be bad strategy by if it achieves it end your fine with it

2019-09-30 09:13:25 UTC  

Of course he's a moral relativist

2019-09-30 09:13:29 UTC  

Literally subhuman

2019-09-30 09:13:59 UTC  

that's literally terrorism

2019-09-30 09:14:13 UTC  

so youre not a deontologist? are you consequentialist then?

2019-09-30 09:14:38 UTC  

Do you not remember when this guy said he wanted to see if the results were effective before taking a stance on lobotomies?

2019-09-30 09:15:00 UTC  

I wasn't there for that.

2019-09-30 09:15:10 UTC  

a deontologist would define something as right or wrong based on principles. somehow i dont think youre using that word correctly

2019-09-30 09:15:18 UTC  

It was the last time he was on the call-in show

2019-09-30 09:15:28 UTC  

no, he said he's not one

2019-09-30 09:15:52 UTC  

which would mean that he views right and wrong based on outcomes.

2019-09-30 09:16:14 UTC  

I sincerely hope he just didn't know what "lobotomy" meant

2019-09-30 09:16:45 UTC  

I don't know it seems like he's okay with terrorism as long as its towards his goals

2019-09-30 09:16:47 UTC  

a deontologist would saying the means justifies the ends. a consequentialist would say the ends justify the means

2019-09-30 09:16:51 UTC  

Big I don't think actions are inherently bad I think actions are argued to be bad because of their outcome. So a deontologist believes killing is bad full stop. A consequentialist asks why did you kill and decides if it is bad

2019-09-30 09:17:04 UTC  

See? Moral relativist.

2019-09-30 09:17:26 UTC  

louis fucking christians are consequentialists in some respects

2019-09-30 09:17:36 UTC  

It's not his fault, it's just a product of his lefty upbringing and education. It would be like if your parents and everyone in your life taught you that evil was actually great

2019-09-30 09:17:38 UTC  

only if the deontologist defines all killing as bad.

2019-09-30 09:17:41 UTC  

I'm not seeing a condemnation of terrorism

2019-09-30 09:17:59 UTC  

america was founded on violence for political goals

2019-09-30 09:18:21 UTC  

name a country that wasnt

2019-09-30 09:18:45 UTC  

Violence to free ones self is not violence to stifle other's free expression or change political opinions

2019-09-30 09:18:55 UTC  

terrorism is not bad inherently what if it was a liberal uprising in Germany during Nazi rule, I would not believe this to be bad it is still terrorism though

2019-09-30 09:19:28 UTC  

right but you're basically okay with beating the shit out of people til they conform with your ideas

2019-09-30 09:19:32 UTC  

Violence in defense of one's rights is not terrorism. You aren't trying to change people's minds or enact policy, you're trying to defend yourself

2019-09-30 09:19:48 UTC  

one at a time guys I know im popular

2019-09-30 09:20:02 UTC  

He says, not responding to anything

2019-09-30 09:20:14 UTC  

louis you're changing the definition of terrorism

2019-09-30 09:20:21 UTC  

No, I'm not

2019-09-30 09:20:47 UTC  

ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

2019-09-30 09:20:53 UTC  

yes

2019-09-30 09:21:01 UTC  

it has nothing to do with rights

2019-09-30 09:21:01 UTC  

a tyrannical government is an illegitimate government, and therefore overthrowing the government would be lawful.

2019-09-30 09:21:06 UTC  

Exactly

2019-09-30 09:21:09 UTC  

unlawful

2019-09-30 09:21:17 UTC  

is the only prerequsit

2019-09-30 09:21:25 UTC  

its an important oine

2019-09-30 09:21:35 UTC  

so in nazi germany they has laws