Message from @Clive

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2019-07-12 05:51:10 UTC  

I agree that is what we are already doing functionally.

2019-07-12 05:51:29 UTC  

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2019-07-12 05:51:48 UTC  

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2019-07-12 05:52:03 UTC  

No, but inevitably more competent people will be more influential than less competent people. Still, a policy that places a race or nation in an inherently superior or dominant position over any other race or nation is unjust. We are all equal before God.

2019-07-12 05:52:28 UTC  

So how does that square with an Empire?

2019-07-12 05:52:50 UTC  

Empire is an administrative schematic

2019-07-12 05:53:20 UTC  

Isn't the whole idea of empire to expand and subjugate neighboring nations?

2019-07-12 05:53:35 UTC  

Otherwise it would just be a monarchy.

2019-07-12 05:54:52 UTC  

I don't have the answer to that. If history teaches us anything, it's that empires are subject to the fickleness of their rulers, and often expansion halts for long periods of time, if not devolving into gradual atomization as we've more-or-less observed in Europe for 1500 years

2019-07-12 05:55:19 UTC  

I don't advocate monarchic empire

2019-07-12 05:55:34 UTC  

Nor would I burn the American system to the ground

2019-07-12 05:56:14 UTC  

Empire is about vision.

2019-07-12 05:56:25 UTC  

Right, in practice empires reach a point of maximum influence, but it seems like generally the idea of them is to establish dominance over other nations and force them to serve.

2019-07-12 05:56:29 UTC  

How so?

2019-07-12 05:57:13 UTC  

If a nation is about the people, and it is unjust to place one people above another...

2019-07-12 05:57:27 UTC  

I just don't see how these ideas fit together.

2019-07-12 05:58:14 UTC  

It is unjust to place one people above another in privilige or cultural clout _within the nation of the subjected._

2019-07-12 05:58:49 UTC  

If you don't like the America system, is there a country that currently exists that you do like? Or that you would reference for an example what a good nation should strive for?

2019-07-12 05:58:55 UTC  

Hmm. How can there be more than one people within a nation at all, if the nation is the people?

2019-07-12 05:59:24 UTC  

An empire can incorporate multiple nations, as the United Kingdom is comprised of four countries

2019-07-12 05:59:25 UTC  

Or that doesn't exist anymore I spose

2019-07-12 06:00:02 UTC  

I believe the American Constitution is the most refined document of political law to date

2019-07-12 06:00:22 UTC  

I sense a but coming

2019-07-12 06:00:27 UTC  

haha

2019-07-12 06:00:31 UTC  

Ok. Maybe I see. So a just empire is a coalition of nations cooperating toward a shared political vision?

2019-07-12 06:00:43 UTC  

We're in need of some Amendments, of course

2019-07-12 06:00:51 UTC  

Yes

2019-07-12 06:01:38 UTC  

Ok. Goose has been appointed Imperator of the Constitutional Convention of 2025. What Amendments does he propose?

2019-07-12 06:02:45 UTC  

The establishment of the Clerical Congress as the 4th Branch of Government, with the power of petition as a means of forcing executive orders for the social health of the nations.

2019-07-12 06:03:13 UTC  

That one is going to need some unpacking.

2019-07-12 06:03:23 UTC  

Oh hell yeah it is

2019-07-12 06:03:34 UTC  

if you have a moment

2019-07-12 06:03:38 UTC  

What's your opinion on EU?

2019-07-12 06:04:18 UTC  

@uncephalized you can answer too

2019-07-12 06:05:11 UTC  

Too big, too centralized. Suffering from some of the same ills the US has but failing faster because Europe writ large has less shared heritage than the vestiges of the US.

2019-07-12 06:05:39 UTC  

I don't understand it well enough to have a complete opinion, but the basic idea of a political association based on shared ethnolinguistic & religious heritage is not unreasonable, so long as it recognizes that the source of it's validity and it's necessary aims should be the aforementioned criteria.

2019-07-12 06:05:58 UTC  

And their preservation

2019-07-12 06:06:34 UTC  

I think there is a problem generally with trying to merge your political baskets too big. When we only have the one planet it's not a stable solution to have political entities the scale of whole continents.

2019-07-12 06:06:52 UTC  

Not at all

2019-07-12 06:07:04 UTC  

It's the too big to fail problem in the political sphere.

2019-07-12 06:08:09 UTC  

Solution. Populate Mars