It's hard for me to see most of this as just blunt pandering

It's the same people that said, just let gays get married. That will be the end of it

That’s a bit harsh Legal

How is that harsh?

Not all gays are pedos

Nobody is saying all gays are pedos. My point at least was that the whole alphabet movement didn't stop with equal rights when it comes to marriage. People now have to pander to all kinds of new perceived inequalities!

the religious right were absolutely right about what would follow if you gave them the legitimacy of marriage

I wasn’t addressing you Euro

I didn't believe them back then

better late than never

Ehh

he's not wrong

I know

Nice shaky

and if it's the ideologues who are determining the policy push than does it really matter what moderates think long term?

Ty A. Excellent point

Yes Euro. And...... you Want to come here? On Purpose?

Ain't any better where I live!

Then why bother?

In the US you at least have the foundation to correct for wrongs on the basis of freedom. You don't have that in Europe!

^^^^

in time you'll be considered a freak if you *didn't* go to those things as a kid

Plenty of diversity between states! I can chose if I want to live in California or Wyoming!

Uhh. Are you serious Euro?

even if the 'far left' only constitutes a small number of people the power they have to drive and change culture makes that fact irrelevant

@stephfire You have to be more specific than just ask if I am serious...

I have yet to see a sound argument that justifies homosexual behavior.

‘They can’t help it’ isn’t a legitimate reason to justify it.

Speaking of pride.

https://rdnewsnow.com/2019/07/18/ppc-pride-society-have-heated-exchange-following-westerner-days-parade/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

God have mercy on those children

And the point of that is, America is nearly lost, nearly as lost as the UK. The people who lead this channel have moved to Rural towns to escape, and that’s not even enough

there is another difference tho\

Americans still have the nuclear option

enshrined in our constitution

All I am saying is that with the US constitution you have a good platform to get the US back on track. In Europe, that ain't the case!

I'll agree with that @Euro looking for a green card