The fact that his businesses all seem to focus on things that won't become affordable for the forseeable future could pretty well be the thing that makes the difference.

Tesla has made more than that this year, but nowhere close to 2 million

If he actually made consumer products like Apple does, he probably would be the next steve jobs.

I think that electric vehicles will become profitable in the near future, but that doesn’t mean Tesla will survive.

well some are profitable just not affordable for the common person

My problem with the entire hybrid/electric car industry is like I said before, subsidies.

I don’t think tesla is fully profitable at this point. Batteries should decrease in price a bunch this year, so cheaper EVs should be possible soon. I think EVs will be ready for prime time in 2020.

Whatever happened to the days when making a good product was how you became profitable, rather than taking handouts from the government?

But Elon promised Tesla would turn a profit this year.....

Well, ICE cars have had subsidies too.

Would Elon lie?

Off-topic, but I _fucking hate_ BMW

Elon consistently over promises

Don’t blame you. They are over priced

@Salacious Swanky Cat something which can’t keep going

Elon motto....Over promise never deliver

I love BMW

@Deleted User yeah that’s generally true, but tesla eventually delivers. It usually takes a couple of years though.

ok when will there be a profit? or break even?

I don’t know. The enthusiasts say he’s profitable now, but all the media organizations who wish for it say otherwise. Hard to say.

will know this quarter

Yeah. That will be interesting.

I’m actually starting to look for a new car too. I currently drive a 2008 Nissan Xterra - bad mpg. Lol

@Deleted User what do you think about Kia?

Kia has good mpg,, is all around affordable, and a good variety of styles depending on your needs

Yeah. I kind of want to get the Niro plug in hybrid. The electric range is pretty small, but it covers typical daily driving needs. Y

Kia is just Hyundai under a different brand

It’s got a reputation for being unbreakable here in AU, but not sure what you reckon after the whole scandal with engines seizing/blowing up in the US @Salacious Swanky Cat

Ok.

Apart from that, I’d get one if not for... I just don’t like how they look

Didn’t know that about the engines.

I definitely prefer Hyundai over Kia in terms of styling

I didn't either. Then again, I bought my Kia about 5 years ago

Lol. I’m not as concerned about looks. For me, cars are purely a utility vehicle. Point a to b, carry stuff in back occasionally.

@SteelandSouls I reckon your car just scraped out of the affected range

Cause if I remember correctly it affected cars manufactured between 2007 - 2013

Mine was an end of year 2013 so that's likely the case

Mmmm

But yeah, @Salacious Swanky Cat, if you don’t mind them, a Kia Cerato or... Rio would be great

If you don’t mind going even smaller go for a Pinto

(This is me assuming the models are the same despite country)