Message from @J Edgar
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I've never been a fan of people who want to change something going: You have to agree with these new ideas (or even old ideas) we want, or we will take your vote away.
we'll all lose our vote anyway when the state collapses under it's own weight
Life/society is always at risk, doesn't make giving people poor options, making them better.
those are the only 2 options I can see that won't cause a societal collapse and how much would a vote in a communist state be worth
fair point
I see many more options, but that can always be argued.
then shoot. haven't really heard from you what alternatives there are
I could lay out many different things, but does that mean i know whats best? No.
What i do know, is that proposing people either agree with you, or lose their votes. Is not something enough people will agree with to get passed. It can't include taking away peoples vote, or making a tier voting system (outside of legal and illegal citizens).
Service Guarantees Citizenship = prime system tbh fam
It might be a good system, i'm not sure its the best tho.
I’m sure Shaun King will be updating the writing he has done on the story https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1081967885294006272?s=21
Maybe Mr. Black will identify as white?
That headline could have done without that quote. It should have just said, "Radical Gay Activist’s Dramatic Turn Towards Christ"
There was also a big story months ago about a lesbian LGBT activist who renounced her ways and became Christian as well. God can reach anyone
I couldn't defend my position, so I moved directly to insults
That guy has the big dumb
good, good. Let the hate flow through you
Twitter is a waste of time and energy
^^^ we should just call it twatter. Lol
@Beemann While i do think most people should understand how important service is, very few of the total population would be able to do it. And its not the best to have free citizens (legal) with no vote for over its governance.
Also, there is a reason we don't just elect high ranking generals to president (rarely), as you don't just want people with just a military mind leading you, only thinking of how to win fights/wars. You need a balance of ideals, and not just people fit to fight holding more power over everyone else in the population without a say.
1. You don't vote while you're in the service, only once you're out
2. Service != military
Military is one of multiple options, but all are meant to be the individual serving the nation/public. The right of voting becomes the right to serve, for anyone of sound mind able to consent to the contract
Do you mean under your idea you can't vote? Because if your in the military now you can vote. And yes i know what you meant by after having served but making a tier system of citizens is not great for any society.
It's not my idea specifically. It's Heinlein
And the tiering is purely by choice. Citizenship is more attainable than wealth, so long as you're willing to endure service
And in the hypothetical society described, you can vote once you leave service
After serving the min required time
Also depending on the state, you already have a worse version of this system in the USA
Ya i know its not your idea, just what you were saying is the best.
And calling something you either join service or you have no vote as a citizen, isn't really what i would call a "choice".
And while i agree in some places it could be worst then citizenship or no vote, its still all apart of peoples freedom playing out.
Specifically in the US you can lose franchise if you don't register for SS by 26, depending on the state. As far as voting goes, how is it not a choice? A growing number of citizens in western nations are not voting, or are essentially voting blind. Given the immense power behind the vote, is this not irresponsible and destined to create a dysfunctional, non representative system?
Having the right to vote but not doing so, is still a choice, and a right. Having the right to vote poorly is still a right (as these are things that have happened for all of history, and we are not doing to bad as a species). Having a vote or not based on service is not a choice, as you are taking away free peoples rights (under our constitutions).
Voting is important, and people should learn more when doing so, but that does not change the persons right if they choice not to, or don't bother voting at all.
you don't hate the (((whites)))? what are you, a racist?
Voting is important, but not important enough for it to come with any real consequences, @Shadows ? A vote is intent to push your idea above all others, utilizing government force. Why is that guaranteed just because you were born? It moves beyond the purview of the personal and well into the sphere of social and political control
That's what it means to be a US citizen..... You are born with immutable rights, free to engage them or not.