Message from @Beemann

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2019-03-17 23:26:53 UTC  

They *kinda* have a point. As much as I stan Demons Souls

2019-03-17 23:27:14 UTC  

they're very slow and patience-driven, which isnt really my thing, but there are certainly good design elements

2019-03-17 23:27:30 UTC  

it's just an overhyped franchise, is the main thing

2019-03-17 23:28:04 UTC  

a lot of the visual design is pulled from Berserk, and for whatever reason people have now decided that attack+dodge is a Dark Souls thing

2019-03-17 23:28:20 UTC  

How could you be talked out of liking something

2019-03-17 23:28:24 UTC  

That's insane

2019-03-17 23:28:36 UTC  

because you examine that thing and the bits you ignored start to bother you

2019-03-17 23:28:57 UTC  

Its not hard....

2019-03-17 23:29:30 UTC  

Most people have a game they loved at first when they're young that actually really sucked lol

2019-03-17 23:29:48 UTC  

I've actually been pretty good on that front, for the most part

2019-03-17 23:30:11 UTC  

gone back and played games I remembered being good, and most of em are still good, to the point where I'm having trouble remembering the bad ones I didnt *know* were bad

2019-03-17 23:31:54 UTC  

You have to look at things from the past in the context of a time scale also.

2019-03-17 23:32:57 UTC  

I think certain elements can draw people deep into crappy games

2019-03-17 23:33:55 UTC  

even the games I didnt play (so confirmed no nostalgia goggles) from back in the day still hold up pretty well

2019-03-17 23:34:16 UTC  

it's when things got into the cinematic walking sections era that going back through older titles starts to suck

2019-03-17 23:35:21 UTC  

Conversely, I don't accept 'nostalgia goggles' as valid criticism against people that say they like an old game. Things can just be good in someone's view, people can just like something

2019-03-17 23:39:15 UTC  

I've never thought about it, i wonder if i have a classification for an RPG.

2019-03-17 23:42:09 UTC  

well generally people are talking about something qualitatively. Some people will absolutely forget how awful certain parts of a game were, or have an inflated view of the complexity/depth of the mechanics

2019-03-17 23:42:35 UTC  

but I've also had people tell me I had nostalgia goggles just for saying Older X is better than Newer X, when I played them both in the same year

2019-03-17 23:43:08 UTC  

Or even worse. When you play the older game last, and love the older game more than any other

2019-03-17 23:43:15 UTC  

Short of being afflicted with a rare sort of 6 month nostalgia, I feel comfortable telling them where they can take their adhom :^)

2019-03-17 23:43:51 UTC  

yup, that sort of thing happens too. I suspect it has to do with what your expectations are going in though

2019-03-17 23:48:25 UTC  

Yeah come on, that was half a year ago. This is today. Get with the times and stop living in the past like an old man!

2019-03-17 23:59:11 UTC  

it's also fun telling people about cool shit they didnt know about in games they played ages ago

2019-03-17 23:59:30 UTC  

like when I found out that there were people who didnt strafejump through 90% of Return to Castle Wolfenstein

2019-03-18 00:04:47 UTC  

lol

2019-03-18 00:08:33 UTC  

What blows me away is playing an amazing 20+ year old game for the first time. You 'get' the game because you've played others from the era, so age isn't a problem. It being old, yet fresh and great to play is so surreal

2019-03-18 00:09:14 UTC  

As an aside: I played Dead Space this year for the first time and was very pleased. It's actually a highlight of my year. And that isn't even that old

2019-03-18 00:15:07 UTC  

@RoadtoDawn it's hard to get into something old and the fan base has chilled out but you just want to talk about it. Ive read five out if the six original Dune series and I'm dying to talk and see art about it etc and it's as old as my mom lol

2019-03-18 00:17:33 UTC  

I'll get talked into getting into something, and by the time I'm caught up they've already moved onto something else to be excited about. It's a losing battle with friends lol

2019-03-18 00:23:05 UTC  

Exactly

2019-03-18 00:40:18 UTC  

I love Dead Space. I even liked the third game, even though they did everything they could to make it bad. As much as I hate what EA did to it, I have to appreciate how they ended the series.

2019-03-18 01:33:51 UTC  

Dead Space was a good starting point and it's a shame they didn't take it in the right direction

2019-03-18 01:36:27 UTC  

tbh the regenerator (in 1) should have been a consistent enemy, like Nemesis or Mr X

2019-03-18 01:50:40 UTC  

I don't know, I'm not really one to actually learn how the mechanics work, so the sections with him were super stressful.

2019-03-18 01:50:53 UTC  

I don't know if it would work for the whole game.

2019-03-18 01:50:57 UTC  

thats what I liked - the rest of the game wasnt stressful enough

2019-03-18 01:51:16 UTC  

too often they'd set up a good scare only to blow it early

2019-03-18 02:02:12 UTC  

I dove right into 2 afterwards. I couldn't get into it right away, but only because there were some tweaks to the controls and movement. I'll pick 2 back up soon enough