Or at least that’s how they view it

Just like greeners don't want nuclear, they do not want to save the planet, they want to hamper human advancement.

I’d say it’s more of a purity spiral, and the lay environmentalists don’t realize that.

They have forgotten that the way to get to your goal is step by step.

Some realize that. Unfortunately there’s a large number of environmentalists who actually believe that 100% renewables is possible by 2030

At best renewables could get to 40% electric generation by 2030 in the US.

wind and solar may be "free", but the intermittence factor is fricken expensive

The thing is, we have been moving in the right direction all along. Coal burns much cleaner than wood, oil burns much cleaner than coal, gasoline/diesel/kerosine burn much cleaner than oil.

I dont know what the downside is other than it apparently requires hydrogen to create the fuel. I think it just releases the carbon in the process is the idea

It's why there is not longer a London soup fog.

*you guys had to keep shining the Sal signal*

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Energy and environment issues are the topic I talk about the most.

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It bores shadows. lol

lol

It doesn't bore me, just rarely anything new is ever said.

Generally speaking, intermittency only becomes a problem when renewables penetration gets high enough.

Sal was going to show up regardless anyway, shadows

Which is good.

The us could integrate 60-70% renewables before issues really start.

Past that it gets weird. And past 80% it’s very expensive

and that's why zero emissions is a problem

60-70? yeah i don't think so - more like 15%

lets not forget the lithium and other minerals that need to be mined for batteries, that then get disposed of at EOL

The us gets 20% of its electricity generation from renewables.

There are regions where that level is much higher.

then that means the other 80% is still done far in excess of demand

Sup feds ❤️

Well, that’s going to be the case anyways. Spinning reserves already existed.

I’m saying that past 80% it’s very difficult to get renewables to penetrate further because of that.

Environmentalists treat pumped hydro like it’s a holy grail. Many harp on how cheap it apparently is, but can never explain why it doesn’t make up the majority of peaking power currently.

They hate hydro cuz of habitat destruction

@TheCompanyMan Whats up spook.

Mowed the lawn so the feds in the chelihopters can see I'm not up to no good. Ya know how it is. 💁🏽‍♂️🤡

Yes. Because of purity spirals.

Nobody should directly follow environmentalists’ advice.

I'll follow who i want dad!

Geez.

Don’t dread on me. lol

I hear some are planning long trips in the sea during typhoon season, sounds like a great idea to me.