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2019-08-25 10:07:57 UTC  

most people, sadly

2019-08-25 10:08:16 UTC  

occam's razor

2019-08-25 10:08:33 UTC  

look for the simplest answer

2019-08-25 10:09:12 UTC  

what guided every single threat of seccession before 1861?

2019-08-25 10:09:49 UTC  

northern tarrif policy at the expense of the south

2019-08-25 10:10:07 UTC  

every single time

2019-08-25 10:10:55 UTC  

what did the elected president say in his innauguration

2019-08-25 10:11:24 UTC  

pay these fucking tarrifs or I wil invade you

2019-08-25 10:11:50 UTC  

I think they secceded because Lincoln was elected without any southern support, showing that the north could now push through any trade policy without the south having a say in it.

2019-08-25 10:12:12 UTC  

the south already didnt have any say in it

2019-08-25 10:12:33 UTC  

they had been dealing with this for almost a century

2019-08-25 10:13:20 UTC  

The north always compromised on tariffs before didnt they? Because they knew what would happen if they didnt.

2019-08-25 10:13:21 UTC  

andrew jackson's vice president left DC to to the south carolina to seceed

2019-08-25 10:13:55 UTC  

jackson left dc to go to SC to negotiate

2019-08-25 10:15:04 UTC  

it was only a few months before another tariff plan came through

2019-08-25 10:15:17 UTC  

and they had the threaten to leave again

2019-08-25 10:15:30 UTC  

this was constant

2019-08-25 10:15:54 UTC  

almost an entire century of it

2019-08-25 10:16:32 UTC  

threatening to leave every two years for a century

2019-08-25 10:16:53 UTC  

eventually they said fuck it

2019-08-25 10:18:36 UTC  

lincoln straight up threatened to invade the south if they made one more objection to the tariffs

2019-08-25 10:18:42 UTC  

But every other president before lincoln got at least some southern states, so presidents still had to appeal to the south. Lincolns election showed that this was over.

2019-08-25 10:19:22 UTC  

that might have mattered

2019-08-25 10:20:16 UTC  

I don't think anything mattered more than him openly threatening invasion in his innaugural address

2019-08-25 10:20:19 UTC  

He could only invade the south, because neither him nor his party would ever need votes from there again.

2019-08-25 10:21:38 UTC  

him threatening to invade got some southern states to seceed

2019-08-25 10:22:29 UTC  

They secceded begore the inanaugural no?

2019-08-25 10:22:30 UTC  

when he ordered the other southern states to raise armies to invade the other southern states, they joined

2019-08-25 10:22:36 UTC  

no

2019-08-25 10:22:46 UTC  

it wasn't all at once

2019-08-25 10:22:59 UTC  

most waited to see

2019-08-25 10:23:42 UTC  

I mean South Carolina

2019-08-25 10:23:47 UTC  

he made a veiled threat

2019-08-25 10:24:00 UTC  

many said wait and see

2019-08-25 10:24:08 UTC  

others said fuck that

2019-08-25 10:24:12 UTC  

He was in office since March 4, 1861

2019-08-25 10:25:13 UTC  

On November 9, 1860 the South Carolina General Assembly passed a "Resolution to Call the Election of Abraham Lincoln as U.S. President a Hostile Act" and stated its intention to declare secession from the United States

2019-08-25 10:25:19 UTC  

he said before he was in office that he would force them to pay the imposts northerners had been trying to impose for decades

2019-08-25 10:26:09 UTC  

south carolina was the first

2019-08-25 10:26:20 UTC  

they didn't wait

2019-08-25 10:26:50 UTC  

in his innaugural, he threatend them all