I didnt realize I was surrounded by degenerates

That's how our Gay Agenda works. You realize when it's too late

And then you're gay

@scaevola
Why thank you... Now.
Back to my whips and chains...

should Matt sell the right to name his firstborn son for streamlabs or supershekles?

Auction it off in superchat...

He should sell its gender assignment.

Don't laugh too hard, @GrumpyGabe, you can actually control the sex of your child with a 99% success rate.

Yeah, I remember hearing the Chinese figured out how to do that Wayback in the day…

To any hard core libertarian in the group, what is your response to stuff like Desmond and Lactasia. I know what I *think* the libertarian response would be, but I want to hear from someone more libertarian than i.

I'm probably not a hardcore enough libertarian to answer that, but I'd bet that if that wasn't being full-on promoted as a way for their moms to score virtue points, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

The government's main responsibility is to protect the rights of it's citizens. Sometimes the way parents treat their children will end up violating that child's future freedoms. (You would be amazed how much your childhood affects who you are as an adult)

Anyone without blinders on that studies child development will agree that what the drag kids parents are doing is, while not intentionally abusive, will stunt and damage the kids development as bad, or worse than physically abusive parents.

So the government has the responsibility to protect children from an environment where their parents actions will fuck them up to the point that in the future their capacity to live a free life is reduced by a significant margin.

I dont think kids should be in the public eye, or in sexual scenarios. Both appear to be linked to issues later in life. That said, if your son wants to wear a dress at home, I cant say that I give a fuck. I take issue with people consciously indoctrinating their kids, but I dont think that falls under legislatable action

hmm, none of the answers I was expecting. I was expecting "as long as no one is physical harmed and no one's rights are infringed and the new free markets are opened, then it's fine." Is what I expected but what @DJ_Anuz said was very accurate.

Because he's not a libertarian.

Oh, here we go again...

@Mandatory Carry who is he?

who are you referencing?

DJ... Sorry, trying to avoid needless tagging here.
... C1pher... Don't be mad that I understand the words you use and don't understand. Just learn the difference.

well if a full blown libertarian wants to defend the whole Desmond thing saying it's not bad/evil/disgusting, go ahead and make your case. I can't think of one besides the theoretical example i just gave.

MC's idea of a libertarian is basically an AnCom, I'm not sure if that's what you'd call a "full-blown" libertarian.

umm AnCom?

I"m a poli-sci noob

Anarcho-communist.

Or a lefty anarchist, I guess

i thought libertarians were An-Caps

I know what that one means

That's probably (closer to) what most people would think, but MC insists we're all liars when we say that

The basis for a libertarian society is adults who are of sound mind. Because children and the mentally infirm cannot be considered fully responsible for their own actions, special considerations need to be taken. In short, if someone is abusing their kid, NAP can get fucked.

I think the NAP states that force should never be initiated and I would argue that in the case of child abuse you are not initiating force if you try to prevent it, the abusing person is. So the NAP doesnt get violated if you prevent child abuse.

I think most libertarians on this server would agree that this transkid shit is disgusting, the question is when does a parenting philosophy that u personally dislike and that u think has bad effects on the child become child abuse and allows u to take government action against those parents.

And remember a lot of left leaning people would argue that teaching classical gender roles or keeping ur children away from pride parades and such things has a negative effect on ur kids.

I think at the point where you're bringing your primary school aged child into gay nightclubs, where they're simulating sexually provocative behaviour, is well over the line, and into the exposing your child to abuse circle

yeah I don't think the govt should take these kids away from their parents

There also needs to be data to prove that behaviour that has been standardized with no preceeding proven link to negative outcomes is actually harmful in the long run

if they can get the mental health professionals to say masculinity is harmful I dont think theyll have a problem in proving that

but I will say that this isn't about "parenting that I dislike and disagree with" eventually these kids will grow up and we'll have another Dr John Money shit case on our hands

I am not familiar

John Money is one of the OG gender is a social construct people

in short, he gender swapped 1 of 2 boy twins and had them fake-fuck to force biological gender norms to go byebye

I thought god invented vigilantism for those levels of degeneracy