Just because we are imperfect evaluative entities doesn't mean that which we are evaluating can't be a ground truth. It is possible to change evaluations of a given action without changing the ranking of the different consequences

yes, but theres no reliable way to determine "what could have been"

so, even if there was a perfect hierarchy, we arent privy to it

(which would mean we cant really be principled because of limited perceptions)

(if we were egoists, that is)

Or, from an empirical consequentialist perspective, it means that we should allow people to try different principles, and see what happens

yea, we should do that too

if it turns out that being principled leads to better results than critical thinking

then we should be principled

actually, i argue this is true for most people

people are pretty bad at making these evaluations

I don't disagree with that point

(at least on the big decisions in their lives)

that's probably one of the functions of religious institutions

yes

i mean, its also part of why we have the law

true

so yea, there's definitely a large place for deontological thinking. i just think if you're a particularly smart person, you're losing out by following it

(deontology doesnt catch out the edge cases)

so if you can get those edge cases right, and others cant, you have an advantage over them

heh, depends on the cost of figuring out those edge cases vs the benefit of solving them

definitely

you could have a hybrid system

but you would want the principles to be derived from consequentialist arguments

rather than having them instituted without any good justification

(which is what i argue a lot of people do -> they take "learned principles" from other people, but where did those other people get their principles from 😉 its almost like an infinite regression and when you look at where they came from, a lot of them were originally derived in a bygone era, and thus the principle may no longer be useful in its consequences)

I agree on that point. And with that, I'm off to bed. Good night.

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GOTTEM

nah it's a twitch meme now

4chan tried

and failed

nah it depends on the meme

it was for a while

now clown world I would say is the worst right leaning meme

not only is it made by fascists it also is used to end arguments you cannot win

yup

instagram memers

the dumbest kind of memer

it steams from honkler

fren world