Message from @Beemann
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I can't imagine Bernie at 19. I just picture him being born an old man in the first place
Damn those pesky zoomers.
No, not my goons!
you're a progressive?\
using a centralized power?
so you say
but is that true?
Oh a styx style minarchist
anyway, I agree with that take, except I'd toss diplomatic ties with foreign countries in there as a job of a central government as well. A strong united front is a much easier position to negotiate from than for each individual state having to handle foreign relations alone
Sarcasm is for fags.
You dont know what a minarchist is?
It basically just means the government does nothing but protect the borders
Enforced property rights
That kind of shit
yikes
i think you should research deflationary spirals.... before saying you dont want the government involved in the economy
also i hope you know the free market is nothing but a toy model which assumes externalities dont matter
except in reality, externalities do matter
hence the free market is *not* ideal
@Green Syndicalism the govt has some role to play for a true free market to exist.
Corporate anarchy isn't a free market, and neither is government overreach and overregulation.
The ideal economy is one where fair rules are established and enforced by the govt so that corporations can't have a limitless cap on profit through dishonest practices.
Putting all of, or sections of, the economy into the govts hand is just as likely to cause stagnation, malpractice, or harm to the consumer, as corporatism.
Also I often see the externalities argument fall apart when examples are given. What would be your real-world scenario, @Green Syndicalism ?
@Green Syndicalism
They tried a closed market system.
I spent a week of VERY sleepless nights convinced WWIII had started and waiting for the nukes to rain down. (It didn't help that HBO was playing *The Man Who Saw Tomorrow* at the time.)
@Beemann
*"The corporate structure is state provided"*
¿What? 🤨
Corporation is a state formed designation. Corporations also benefit from the state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6C6_NVj964
In response to this video someone said, *"YouTube and the rest of big tech need to be reformed."* And he's right; They are natural monopolies, and that's fine, some industries are that way. We have a solution for that... The alternative being they become public sector industries. Pretty sure ***NOBODY*** wants that.
... ¿Where the fuck is @Shire! btw?
Climate alarmists should be imperialists.
If you really believe the climate will be irreversibly damaged in the next 100 years, and that we (the developed world) have a responsibility to ban plastic straws and the like to stop it, then you should also support the developed world going into the infinitely poorer nations and forcing them to stop the major amount of pollution.
I see so many fucking non interventionists talking about how plastic in the ocean is the worst thing possible and I'm like "why don't we just invade Asia and blockaid the 3 rivers responsible for the majority of our oceans pollution then."
Don't get me wrong, I hate pollutants on the ocean, but if you think using reusable straws in the US is making a difference, your kidding yourself. The US does a pretty good job recycling, poor Asian countries are where your focus should be.
Dem China's give no fucks.
The problem with that attitude is that the one time I actually made that argument to someone, they proved to be such a commie bootlicker that they actually agreed.
Reminder that full blown commies want global communism
Of course they'd agree
You do realize that a blockade is an act of war, right?
Which could potentially get China and Russia involved, both nuclear powers
And I doubt those smaller Asian countries would just allow the United States to invade them with zero resistance
I don't think he's seriously proposing it
The logic that just because a bunch of people in the US are advocating for the use of plastic straws to limit the plastic in the ocean means that they are hypocritical and should *go to war with some of the largest nations in the world* in order to avoid that is utterly ridiculous and I doubt you even spent over 2 seconds thinking that over
I mean, suggesting that people who advocate for metal straws should also agree to invade China and potentially start a nuclear war literally makes no sense
Yeah, I do agree that China and other poorer Asian nations dumping shit into the ocean is a pretty bad thing
But you shouldn't pin those countries' practices on people in a country thousands of miles away who literally cannot change any of those countries' policies or what the politicians there decide to do
People are not hypocritical for allowing a country thousands of miles away to make poor decisions.
They are if they make the argument that banning plastic straws is the duty of the USA to save the world.
If the goal is saving the planet, and as climate alarmists generally agree were close to or past the point where it can be reversed, then stopping pollution from the largest sources of it should be priority number 1.