the civil war was a competition for dominance between the north and south taking place as one battleground on the planet where a larger historical war was taking place

But but but but but nazis

slaves were as much the reason for the civil war as the p-51d was the cause of ww2

both were just elements that had relevance in a larger conflict

saying slaves were the cause of the civil war is like saying jerusalem was the cause of ther crusades

if you want people to be ignorant of the centuries of history before and after a pivotal event, you lie to them about the entire scope of the era, and pin it one little scapegoat that can be used to obscure what actually happened

im streaming

this is weird

the civil war, the crusades, the world wars, etc were pivotal climaxes to trends and events that built up for centuries before they occured, and echoed for centuries after

someone tell me how it looks

boiling it down to one little thing is either ignorant or a lie

helen of troy is a popular example of a long complex chain of events culminating in and era shifting climax that tied thousands of years of history before to thousands of years of history after

no legit historian honestly thinks she was the real reason for the war, but there was a time when a lot of people believed she was

that had more to do with them coming out of a dark age than to anyone lying, but it's a similar example to blaming the war where the second and third chapters of US history meet

on one little issue rather than what it was

Holy shit... 😲😲😲😲

Was it that people used to believe Helen of Troy was the real reason behind the Trojan war, or was it that people didn't realize that Troy was an actual place that existed, and just assumed that it was a story that someone dreamed up?

I think it was sort of both

Countless reenactments focus on the romance between Paris and Helen and not on the circumstances surrounding the war itself

and until Troy was located archeologically, people just assumed it was just a myth

@wolfman1911
Both. In fact, Heinrich SCHLIEMANN didn't actually find Troy, but rather a later city...
And there was no Helen.

So it was Karen of Troy then?

Yeah, the whole thing was actually started by her wanting to talk to Greece's manager.

Becky of troy

So the composer for Skyrim and several other big name games has been accused of raping an employee 10 years ago. Meaning unless Bethesda breaks precedent and stands with him, odds are he'll be dropped like a sack of potatoes without so much as a police report filed.

I think that we should have a standard, that if you verifiably falsely accuse someone incorrectly, you should at minimum face half the sentence that individual would face.

Gee, I wonder if *anything* like that has *ever* been suggested... /Sardonic.

Why not the full sentence the accused would have faced?

*"Gee, I wonder if* anything *even remotely like that has* ever *been suggested* before. /Sardonic.

If I could throw out a new debate topic:
Aside from the 6 or so aging Nazis war fugitives that are still alive from the 1930's Germany, there are no Nazis anymore. The people that called Nazis nowadays aren't actually Nazis, it's a red herring.
Nazism, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party, died when Germany was defeated in World War I. Only surviving members of the National Socialist German Workers' are still Nazis and should be called and labeled Nazis, unless they intentionally denounce the ideology.
White-Nationalists or far-right, ethno-national, extremists or what have you, should not be called or labeled or considered Nazis as it:
A. cheapens the atrocities done by the actual National Socialist German Workers' Party in the 30's-40's and
B. is factually and historically inaccurate.

Despite the rigid dogma I've previously manifested, I'm 100% open to someone changing my mind on this, on points A or B individually or both.

Well, the first one is actually kind of a moot point imo

why

People still call themselves actual Stalinists and communists despite the atrocities caused by those ideologies

And people who are proud to label themselves neo-Nazis aren't exactly unheard of, either

distinction:

Nazi is not a person, Stalin is a person so you can call yourself a Stalinist if you worship what Stalin said/did

nazi is a specific location and time that is now gone

To add, how many people go around unironically wearing Che T-shirts despite his actions in life

Nazism is a fusion of ideologies though, if you can name it that, the same way Stalinism is a specifc take on communism

I'm saying no calls themself a Hitler-ist which is stupid sounding but fine

I’ve seen a feminist say that the victims of the holodomor deserved it