Once we get into faith the argument is pretty much shot

You can easily put your faith in things that will let you down.

Because it's equal footing with any other claim that cannot be easily disproven

Well, that's kind of part of religion

Faith, that is

Like I can have faith that I can fly.

That doesn't mean I won't break a leg jumping off my roof.

Sure, but we're talking about evidence-based claims here

If we go wholly on faith, why not Islam? Why not Hinduism? Zoroastrianism?

Yeah. And belonging to a community is like jumping of a roof

We are not saying to go and explode

Neither are the Hindus

Well, if you look at western judeo-christian nations

We have, you know, running water

and uhhhh don't stone people for eating cows

Running water = right faith?

and don't throw our kids into manure piles for shits

No, but clearly it's our judeo-christian backing, which nobody else had, which led to our current cultures

So if Muslims were the developed world does that make Allah the real God?

Well, yes

If stoning gays and murdering everyone who dissented on your wholly holy book was the answer, muslims would be the superpower

So if China becomes the next world power, time to ditch Christ?

No, look at how the average chinese person lives compared to us

Even if they unseat us

You won't live very well if China takes over

I doubt that the average chinese will suddenly get a comfortable life, running water, and an understanding that you can't pressure boil evil spirits out of your friends

But there's a section of people close to the party that will

if they took over

Clearly they've for the right answer

Might makes right. Right?

I am really disappointed with the agnostic/atheist faction in here if the argument I did is boiled down to there is no VHS that provesthat I am right.

See, it's basically a difference in opinion at this point

>take example
>assume it's the only answer
I thought we were about good faith here :^)

I think that all people having a better life is better than millions starving and some having a better life for whatever duration the CCP manages to stay together

But all people do not have a better life. That's not really how this process works

Whereas judeo christian values have actually made the lives of everyone within america better

They do tho

American and euro poors have better lives than the poor anywhere else

That wasn't until a lot of the superstitious elements of Christianity were done away with tbh.

Which, funny enough, is something that the christians can do

A little bit of secularism mixed into Christian culture has done a lot to push humanity forward.