Message from @Catboi

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2019-11-18 14:40:49 UTC  

>I took it seriously and literally but I know you were just mocking me

My point is that the discussion is still happening on a 4 year time block. At the end of the day, this won't be a successful model because you're working against the incentive structure of the modern political apparatus. I think you've got to find a way to reverse that if you *really* want to make some headway, because already I suspect that the thing stopping the apathy tide is the Dems, and I wouldnt want to depend on a strategy that must include my opponent making the worst decisions at all times. Eventually they will make a "suboptimal" bad decision and I will suffer losses

2019-11-18 14:41:15 UTC  

So what's your time scale?

2019-11-18 14:42:00 UTC  

Part of this is just the modern world and perverse incentives. I know one way to fix Congress.

2019-11-18 14:42:12 UTC  

Depends on your issue. Overall? Probably 10 years for review/adjustment periods, since most of these processes will be slow and intangible on a smaller timescale

2019-11-18 14:42:14 UTC  

Reveres the change Senator per every 30k people, not the bullshit we have no.

2019-11-18 14:42:29 UTC  

All the important shit is really local governments and congress

2019-11-18 14:42:31 UTC  

TBH

2019-11-18 14:42:39 UTC  

But your plan would need to be a multi-decade one

2019-11-18 14:42:39 UTC  

Congress can do a lot of shit to fuck with the president

2019-11-18 14:42:42 UTC  

as we've already seen

2019-11-18 14:42:50 UTC  

My plan would be to hang congress and start over

2019-11-18 14:43:23 UTC  

Revert the Permanent Apportionment Act

2019-11-18 14:43:27 UTC  

I dont know about that, given that congress is basically there to limit power in the oval office

2019-11-18 14:43:30 UTC  

get rid of government Pensions

2019-11-18 14:43:48 UTC  

The President really doesn't have that much power

2019-11-18 14:43:54 UTC  

it's that Congress is full of cowards.

2019-11-18 14:44:08 UTC  

I would rip power out of the fed in general though, given political god powers over the 'states.

2019-11-18 14:44:09 UTC  

You need to read the constitution again.

2019-11-18 14:44:42 UTC  

a lot of what we're seeing with the executive actions is just because Congress is full of cowards

2019-11-18 14:44:54 UTC  

I'm talking about a situation in which congress is removed.

2019-11-18 14:45:01 UTC  

as well as congress likes it when he bombs melinated individuals in shithole countries

2019-11-18 14:45:19 UTC  

I'm not talking about removing the institution just the institutionalized

2019-11-18 14:45:34 UTC  

Ah okay, I misunderstood then

2019-11-18 14:45:57 UTC  

we've got far too many life long politicians who have no real skills.

2019-11-18 14:46:22 UTC  

You should have to be somewhat financially secure or get enough support from people so you can do the work without sucking off the gubmint teat

2019-11-18 14:46:57 UTC  

Being a Lawyers should almost disqualify you from being in Government, but what are most Congress creatures?

2019-11-18 14:47:23 UTC  

I don't know if you've ever worked with Lawyers, but it's not the group I think of when I think cheap and efficient

2019-11-18 14:47:49 UTC  

So to be clear on where I'm coming from more precisely, I think you're going to be continuing to run into these problems as long as you continue to have societal degradation on a communal and state level

Lawyers can be pretty financially secure though

2019-11-18 14:47:57 UTC  

Really the long term plan is fixing Congress, and then dealing with the Judiciary activism.

2019-11-18 14:48:29 UTC  

Didn't trump sign the order banning the lobbyist revolving door?

2019-11-18 14:48:38 UTC  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2019-11-18 14:48:40 UTC  

it's something

2019-11-18 14:48:53 UTC  

Sure, that helps

2019-11-18 14:49:09 UTC  

At least with the money in politics garbage

2019-11-18 14:49:44 UTC  

As I said, the President is really limited in his powers

2019-11-18 14:49:56 UTC  

and a lot of the stuff with Executive orders is completely untested

2019-11-18 14:50:05 UTC  

Congress is just full of cowards, and greedy for power.

2019-11-18 14:50:40 UTC  

They don't want to reduce the side channel, or enforce their authority over it over fear of culpability and the loss of power when they finally get their president back in office.

2019-11-18 14:54:03 UTC  

Well because executive orders weren't intended to be a primary avenue of political change, I suspect
My point is more so that I think the ability of the president to "Get Shit Done" has been talked up too much. The overplay works well for getting into office, sadly, but the reason why people were apathetic in the first place was because of said pattern of behaviour. It ultimately depends on how the average, largely uninformed voter behaves

2019-11-18 14:54:50 UTC  

Executive orders isn't a clearly defined thing

2019-11-18 14:55:35 UTC  

The fact that you even think that the president really has a lot of power with it shows you've not even done remedial research.