Mor apathetic

I didnt say *I* didnt get that it was hyperbole

but invigorated by Trump not being as retarded as he seemed

and the Dems being more retarded than ever before

I don't see how ANYTHING he does besides start a war or crash the economy is going to cost him votes

I really can't even think of what I think it would take for him to cuck up for me to not vote for him.

What's my fucking alternative

throw it away on a thirdparty

> Have you suggested every tactic? I dont think you've been here that long
Lol. Okay fam.

I don't get what you think is going to make people apathetic about voting.

Like I said before, it's a strategy wholly dependent on Dems playing to a shrinking, extreme base

Oh that. I was mocking you. I figured you'd pick up on that bro. Thought you meant the wall

Start looking for a failed painter war hero?

And it has to last beyond this election

Trump basically needs a proper successor, or everything gets reversed in 4 years

That happens no matter who is president

And needs the Dems to be retarded to a point that will probably crash their party

I know you were. That's my point.

I think I get @Unironic Ohio Supremecist POV, but I don't get what your point is @Beemann

>I took it seriously and literally but I know you were just mocking me

My point is that the discussion is still happening on a 4 year time block. At the end of the day, this won't be a successful model because you're working against the incentive structure of the modern political apparatus. I think you've got to find a way to reverse that if you *really* want to make some headway, because already I suspect that the thing stopping the apathy tide is the Dems, and I wouldnt want to depend on a strategy that must include my opponent making the worst decisions at all times. Eventually they will make a "suboptimal" bad decision and I will suffer losses

So what's your time scale?

Part of this is just the modern world and perverse incentives. I know one way to fix Congress.

Depends on your issue. Overall? Probably 10 years for review/adjustment periods, since most of these processes will be slow and intangible on a smaller timescale

Reveres the change Senator per every 30k people, not the bullshit we have no.

All the important shit is really local governments and congress

TBH

But your plan would need to be a multi-decade one

Congress can do a lot of shit to fuck with the president

as we've already seen

My plan would be to hang congress and start over

Revert the Permanent Apportionment Act

I dont know about that, given that congress is basically there to limit power in the oval office

get rid of government Pensions

The President really doesn't have that much power

it's that Congress is full of cowards.

I would rip power out of the fed in general though, given political god powers over the 'states.

You need to read the constitution again.

a lot of what we're seeing with the executive actions is just because Congress is full of cowards

I'm talking about a situation in which congress is removed.

as well as congress likes it when he bombs melinated individuals in shithole countries

I'm not talking about removing the institution just the institutionalized

Ah okay, I misunderstood then