Message from @Catboi

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2019-11-18 14:37:31 UTC  

Trump basically needs a proper successor, or everything gets reversed in 4 years

2019-11-18 14:37:47 UTC  

That happens no matter who is president

2019-11-18 14:37:50 UTC  

And needs the Dems to be retarded to a point that will probably crash their party

2019-11-18 14:38:01 UTC  

I know you were. That's my point.

2019-11-18 14:38:33 UTC  

I think I get @Unironic Ohio Supremecist POV, but I don't get what your point is @Beemann

2019-11-18 14:40:49 UTC  

>I took it seriously and literally but I know you were just mocking me

My point is that the discussion is still happening on a 4 year time block. At the end of the day, this won't be a successful model because you're working against the incentive structure of the modern political apparatus. I think you've got to find a way to reverse that if you *really* want to make some headway, because already I suspect that the thing stopping the apathy tide is the Dems, and I wouldnt want to depend on a strategy that must include my opponent making the worst decisions at all times. Eventually they will make a "suboptimal" bad decision and I will suffer losses

2019-11-18 14:41:15 UTC  

So what's your time scale?

2019-11-18 14:42:00 UTC  

Part of this is just the modern world and perverse incentives. I know one way to fix Congress.

2019-11-18 14:42:12 UTC  

Depends on your issue. Overall? Probably 10 years for review/adjustment periods, since most of these processes will be slow and intangible on a smaller timescale

2019-11-18 14:42:14 UTC  

Reveres the change Senator per every 30k people, not the bullshit we have no.

2019-11-18 14:42:29 UTC  

All the important shit is really local governments and congress

2019-11-18 14:42:31 UTC  

TBH

2019-11-18 14:42:39 UTC  

But your plan would need to be a multi-decade one

2019-11-18 14:42:39 UTC  

Congress can do a lot of shit to fuck with the president

2019-11-18 14:42:42 UTC  

as we've already seen

2019-11-18 14:42:50 UTC  

My plan would be to hang congress and start over

2019-11-18 14:43:23 UTC  

Revert the Permanent Apportionment Act

2019-11-18 14:43:27 UTC  

I dont know about that, given that congress is basically there to limit power in the oval office

2019-11-18 14:43:30 UTC  

get rid of government Pensions

2019-11-18 14:43:48 UTC  

The President really doesn't have that much power

2019-11-18 14:43:54 UTC  

it's that Congress is full of cowards.

2019-11-18 14:44:08 UTC  

I would rip power out of the fed in general though, given political god powers over the 'states.

2019-11-18 14:44:09 UTC  

You need to read the constitution again.

2019-11-18 14:44:42 UTC  

a lot of what we're seeing with the executive actions is just because Congress is full of cowards

2019-11-18 14:44:54 UTC  

I'm talking about a situation in which congress is removed.

2019-11-18 14:45:01 UTC  

as well as congress likes it when he bombs melinated individuals in shithole countries

2019-11-18 14:45:19 UTC  

I'm not talking about removing the institution just the institutionalized

2019-11-18 14:45:34 UTC  

Ah okay, I misunderstood then

2019-11-18 14:45:57 UTC  

we've got far too many life long politicians who have no real skills.

2019-11-18 14:46:22 UTC  

You should have to be somewhat financially secure or get enough support from people so you can do the work without sucking off the gubmint teat

2019-11-18 14:46:57 UTC  

Being a Lawyers should almost disqualify you from being in Government, but what are most Congress creatures?

2019-11-18 14:47:23 UTC  

I don't know if you've ever worked with Lawyers, but it's not the group I think of when I think cheap and efficient

2019-11-18 14:47:49 UTC  

So to be clear on where I'm coming from more precisely, I think you're going to be continuing to run into these problems as long as you continue to have societal degradation on a communal and state level

Lawyers can be pretty financially secure though

2019-11-18 14:47:57 UTC  

Really the long term plan is fixing Congress, and then dealing with the Judiciary activism.

2019-11-18 14:48:29 UTC  

Didn't trump sign the order banning the lobbyist revolving door?

2019-11-18 14:48:38 UTC  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2019-11-18 14:48:40 UTC  

it's something

2019-11-18 14:48:53 UTC  

Sure, that helps

2019-11-18 14:49:09 UTC  

At least with the money in politics garbage

2019-11-18 14:49:44 UTC  

As I said, the President is really limited in his powers

2019-11-18 14:49:56 UTC  

and a lot of the stuff with Executive orders is completely untested