Message from @Meiglos
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But even nomadic tribes had large groups
i should ask what you consider a typical hunter/gatherer group size to be?
there were sun gods when we could not understand WHY the sun rose
probably anywhere from 10 to like 150
but in north america it was probably waaay more than that
hmm I take back my opinion then
i don't know what typical hunter/gatherer group size is. there are very few of them left now a days. we should look at them. maybe it would give us some ideas
I can see how religion can form even in small groups
well yeah of course
but there's an easy way to have a shared moral code without religion
I agree
the question is how far back religion formed? homo erectus?
We don't want to die -> must rely on each other to not die -> must also trust each other to not die -> don't harm or betray other members of your species
religion formed......what does that mean?
ooh and there's also the whole thing about intersubjectivity
when religion appeared
You talking about in general or monotheistic?
ok, so define religion?
like theology?
that one
"the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."
well animism existed for a really long time
shamanism too
I don't know if we can prove it but I bet belief in spirits in nature exists as far back as communication does
the bird knows when it rains, the worms will rise to the surface for easy feeding.........do the birds have a rain god.......is that a religion?
birds lack a concept of belief
more like pattern recognition
"The remains of one of the earliest anatomically modern humans to be cremated was buried near Lake Mungo." -40,000 BCE
I disagree, the bids belivie, that when it rains, there will be worms
so does belief = religion?
thats more my question
Thats biological instinct not belief
is the rain " superhuman controlling power"
then I'd say it's any belief in the supernatural
that's also shared amongst a group
I think the bides belive it is
*birds
so is religion an instinct run a mock?
I think the most basic reason to have religion (in an evolutionary sense) is in order to not kill yourself because we're all gonna die anyway