watermelon environmentalists - green on the outside, red on the inside

Problem with that exception is that these same state who you are trying to ween off of oil to move to electric to include solar panels, are dealing with laws like this that pose the same risk as farming your own energy.

@grant depends on where you live. Some states define state waters differently. The states that disallow rainwater collection are typically in the West.

@Agent Smith several are and it drives me crazy.

@SteelandSouls there are zero federal laws that prevent people from going off grid and there are no state laws against it. However, municipal laws are questionable. If you live in a municipal co-op you may be prevented.

An example of municipal laws raising an issue.

@SteelandSouls that is in my state. Holy crap. I actually know people living off the grid in my state. It seems like the problem for this guy wasn’t explicitly going off the grid with electricity. He violated building codes and stuff like that. I don’t know if Huntsville forces people to tie into the sewer/water system. If he is in the TVA service area, they can’t prevent him from going off grid with power.

@Salacious Swanky Cat I’m with @SteelandSouls here, on a bigger picture note. Let’s say the ideal goes for the US (in your scenario) and the place is completely self-reliant for energy resources. What about the rest of us in the developed world?

Frankly, considering we can’t even legally collect rainwater without an EPA-approved tank, farm solar without an EPA-approved set of panels, or even go “off-grid” (because every bit of unclaimed land is automatically federal property here)... are you proposing to go total isolationist and just fly the double middle fingers to the rest of the world?

@Agent Smith So are you saying, some people watched Space Balls, and wanted to be the bad guys in it? (Clean Air joke).

@Shadows Total Recall had the same villain evil archplan

Also, China is already on that train mates

Selling clean air by the bottle

🤔 I was a kid when I saw that in the theatre so I forgot that bit lol

@Deleted User lol. Not isolationist. I made the point that shifting from oil to electricity for transportation puts the US government above fuel rather than opec. He decided that was still problematic and I said go off grid if you don’t want any government. The point I was making is that it’s better for us to use electric vehicles because we have more control as citizens in the us and zero control with opec. The same applies for Australia.

@Deleted User Total Recall wasn't just about air tho that was part of it heh. Space Balls really was about air at first.
@Agent Smith GO WATCH IT! *owns it*.

weren't they smuggling ice in the start of the movie??

which movie? not space balls.

@Salacious Swanky Cat we’d be better off with nuclear powered cars here in AU

Biggest uranium deposits in the world baby

then there was another space comedy on at around the same time that did

@Agent Smith space odyssey 2001?

@Deleted User there is a lot of uranium in Australia

I haven’t seen any of these apart from Total Recall but ...

@Deleted User comedy

@Salacious Swanky Cat pisses me off, instead of developing our nuclear capabilities we’re just selling that shit off willy-billy

Nilly*

nah, the watermelon party will never allow us to have nuclear power plants

the greens + labor

@Deleted User Australia has an amazing solar resource too. Both would be great.

@Agent Smith I cant stand the environmental groups. They lie about other things that are fine too.

@Agent Smith you in STRAYA as well?

producing solar panels makes more toxic waste than nuclear power plants

yup

Where at mate

Melb

Haha

_Haha_

Glad to see someone else suffering in the People’s Republic of Victoria

@Agent Smith id have to look at the data for that, but both are objectively better than coal.

at least it's not adelaide or perth