Can this not become some super high number message debate? I don’t want all the notifications

Rock Lee is an example of a character that has growth and an actual set of challenges. He has nothing but effort and gets fucked for it. He Mumen Rider's through it

Mute?

No. Just take it to dm.

I'm not tagging you... why do we have to move

Get a room.

Other people can't hop in in DM, just mute general

Is ez

General chats are always the first ones I mute

Sargent at arms says get a room.

Feel free to do the same.

Before this degenerates into something stupid, Beemann is right that writing structure must have stakes and risks in order to tell a compelling story. As much as writing is art, it is also a science

Since it is art though, there are various types of ways of going about it

Kind of like baking in a way

@SteelandSouls no. Bad boy. I slap you. Lol

Anyway, what makes a story good is having the character overcome obstacles and grow as a result. The overcoming part is key. There needs to be a struggle
Inuyashiki does this well - the MC is nigh invincible, but struggles with his existence, not power growth

Or any series/episode where the MC has to deal with the consequences of his own destructive power, and how easy it is for him to accidentally obliterate others

What about inuyasha? Kagome is a needy skank. Lol

Villains have those arcs too. It's neat

I didn't watch it

Looked like boring weebshit and ran for too long

I kind of disagree @SteelandSouls. I can make many great stories that have no stakes what so every and make the story compelling. But it is true that art should follow a structure, but just because anyone doesn't like something that doesn't mean it fails at being art.

What's compelling about a conflict that isn't a struggle?

Even slice of life stories have a conflict

@Beemann There is not just One Way to make good stories... But there are a limited amount of ways to make them work well.

Right and the limits are that there needs to be some level of consequence

no

yes

There should be a Bad Thing that could actually happen

And a Good Thing that might happen that we root for

Arg. You guys.

These don't have to be 100% good and bad

stakes range from the end of the world to I forgot sugar for this cake.

Which is which can even be debatable

We enjoy stories with consequences the most, but that doesn't mean that's the only way to make a good story.

No I'd definitely disagree with that, but I'd invite you to come up with examples

The only way to tell a good story, yes it is. The only way to tell any story, no.

Good stories aren't even usually one singular conflict, but multiple conflicts that center around a theme, each with their own struggles and consequences

Now you're kind of digging into preferences

Even Naruto leans on this, they just fail in it wrt their OC. It's illusory

Not really. GTO is one large conflict (Onizuka wants to become the greatest teacher) and many smaller conflicts (students' personal problems, attempts at sabotage) that tie into the larger one