Message from @SteelandSouls

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2019-01-12 03:11:42 UTC  

It's about the dysfunctional world in which he resides, and how he fucks what little order it has even further, and how other people react to that

2019-01-12 03:11:50 UTC  

There are many different ways to make a story work, if you feel it doesn't work for you. And that's perfectly fine, that doesn't mean it in fact fails at being a good story.

2019-01-12 03:12:29 UTC  

You hear that @Salacious Swanky Cat Art is subjective

2019-01-12 03:12:31 UTC  
2019-01-12 03:12:33 UTC  

No, straight up writing 101 is that your story needs to have stakes. You need some level of it that isn't base wish fulfillment

2019-01-12 03:12:49 UTC  

@SteelandSouls art is subjective my hairy ape butt.

2019-01-12 03:12:55 UTC  

It is.

2019-01-12 03:14:12 UTC  

What are the stakes when you give a minmaxed combat powerhouse combat challenges?

2019-01-12 03:14:40 UTC  

Fwiw this is what also ruined DBZ, along with resurrection abuse

2019-01-12 03:15:35 UTC  

Can this not become some super high number message debate? I don’t want all the notifications

2019-01-12 03:15:52 UTC  

Rock Lee is an example of a character that has growth and an actual set of challenges. He has nothing but effort and gets fucked for it. He Mumen Rider's through it

2019-01-12 03:15:57 UTC  

Mute?

2019-01-12 03:16:11 UTC  

No. Just take it to dm.

2019-01-12 03:16:30 UTC  

I'm not tagging you... why do we have to move

2019-01-12 03:16:38 UTC  

Get a room.

2019-01-12 03:16:41 UTC  

Other people can't hop in in DM, just mute general

2019-01-12 03:16:43 UTC  

Is ez

2019-01-12 03:16:59 UTC  

General chats are always the first ones I mute

2019-01-12 03:17:09 UTC  

Sargent at arms says get a room.

2019-01-12 03:17:24 UTC  

Feel free to do the same.

2019-01-12 03:18:10 UTC  

Before this degenerates into something stupid, Beemann is right that writing structure must have stakes and risks in order to tell a compelling story. As much as writing is art, it is also a science

2019-01-12 03:18:32 UTC  

Since it is art though, there are various types of ways of going about it

2019-01-12 03:18:38 UTC  

Kind of like baking in a way

2019-01-12 03:19:02 UTC  

@SteelandSouls no. Bad boy. I slap you. Lol

2019-01-12 03:19:13 UTC  

Anyway, what makes a story good is having the character overcome obstacles and grow as a result. The overcoming part is key. There needs to be a struggle
Inuyashiki does this well - the MC is nigh invincible, but struggles with his existence, not power growth

2019-01-12 03:19:55 UTC  

Or any series/episode where the MC has to deal with the consequences of his own destructive power, and how easy it is for him to accidentally obliterate others

2019-01-12 03:20:05 UTC  

What about inuyasha? Kagome is a needy skank. Lol

2019-01-12 03:20:07 UTC  

Villains have those arcs too. It's neat

2019-01-12 03:20:12 UTC  

I didn't watch it

2019-01-12 03:20:25 UTC  

Looked like boring weebshit and ran for too long

2019-01-12 03:20:52 UTC  

I kind of disagree @SteelandSouls. I can make many great stories that have no stakes what so every and make the story compelling. But it is true that art should follow a structure, but just because anyone doesn't like something that doesn't mean it fails at being art.

2019-01-12 03:21:12 UTC  

What's compelling about a conflict that isn't a struggle?

2019-01-12 03:21:20 UTC  

Even slice of life stories have a conflict

2019-01-12 03:21:36 UTC  

@Beemann There is not just One Way to make good stories... But there are a limited amount of ways to make them work well.

2019-01-12 03:21:54 UTC  

Right and the limits are that there needs to be some level of consequence

2019-01-12 03:22:01 UTC  

no

2019-01-12 03:22:03 UTC  

yes

2019-01-12 03:22:04 UTC  

There should be a Bad Thing that could actually happen

2019-01-12 03:22:13 UTC  

And a Good Thing that might happen that we root for

2019-01-12 03:22:19 UTC  

Arg. You guys.

2019-01-12 03:22:21 UTC  

These don't have to be 100% good and bad