Message from @Big T

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2019-03-01 22:04:30 UTC  

are you going to crusade for that?

2019-03-01 22:05:33 UTC  

That would depend if you are talking about fiction or not.
Bestiality is illegal in real life... Not in stories tho.

2019-03-01 22:07:26 UTC  

fair enough.

2019-03-01 22:10:30 UTC  

I argue against any censorship, it doesn't matter how people feel about it that matters. Its not up to others what should be "allowed" for free humans to do (as long as its not illegal).

2019-03-01 22:14:12 UTC  

look man, i get the NAP, but this is such a fringe issue that would do more harm than good for gab. The goal is to get the idea of free speech on the internet to spread. having cartoon kiddie porn as the face of the movement isnt smart. baby steps bro, baby steps. An internet bill of rights is what you should really be focusing on, as that will achieve your goals.

2019-03-01 22:14:38 UTC  

and the MSM will make it the face of the movement, you can count on that

2019-03-01 22:18:36 UTC  

I would have less of a problem with gab if they didn't say they stand up for free speech, because any censorship of it makes this statement untrue (a lie).
And you don't back down from a principle because it might "look" bad..
The MSM is more then happy to call gab a nazi center, and even if it was, i would defend nazis right to speak (just like i do with any other group), as long as they weren't calling for direct violence.

2019-03-01 22:23:50 UTC  

A true free man needs his child pornography

2019-03-01 22:23:57 UTC  

I dont think its backing away from ones principles. Its compromising to make progress towards ones principles.

2019-03-01 22:24:26 UTC  

Exactly. Compromise is nessacry

2019-03-01 22:24:41 UTC  

you can hold all the principles you want, but if you cant incrementally bring ppl over to your side, then what is the point?

2019-03-01 22:25:32 UTC  

Also hard to expand if the gubmint comes breaking down your door for cp

2019-03-01 22:25:43 UTC  

radical change will always be rejected

2019-03-01 22:26:00 UTC  

akin to the boiling a frog analogy

2019-03-01 22:26:12 UTC  

Its a good thing no one here is talking about CP then...

2019-03-01 22:26:32 UTC  

bro we're being hyperbolic when we say that

2019-03-01 22:26:58 UTC  

@Big T The frog analogy is a false, frogs wouldn't die like that.

2019-03-01 22:27:05 UTC  

....

2019-03-01 22:28:21 UTC  

its a valid analogy.

2019-03-01 22:28:49 UTC  

no one is focusing on conducting a study to see if a frog will actually stay in a pot

2019-03-01 22:29:03 UTC  

its commentary on social change is useful

2019-03-01 22:29:51 UTC  

there's all kinds of silly phrases that have odd origins, but are very useful in describing things

2019-03-01 22:32:05 UTC  

btw they just arrested the berkeley assault suspect. campus wide email just went out

2019-03-01 22:32:36 UTC  

Zachary Greenberg is his name

2019-03-01 22:34:15 UTC  

Yes, i understand all of that.
But its not a useful analogy if its not (somewhat) accurate, but to be clear i understand your point.
This still hasn't changed what i said. So many people foolishly say, "Oh, so this is the hill you want to die on".
All they are saying is "Oh, so being free is a hill you want to die on", and yes, that's a principle, any backing away from that means its no longer a principle.
Which by the way i'm only arguing other people about, because our supreme court sides with my argument.

2019-03-01 22:35:13 UTC  

we will just have to agree to disagree then.

2019-03-01 22:40:27 UTC  

@Big T shadows the type not concerned with winning others over. Like the naked LP guy lol

2019-03-01 22:40:52 UTC  

This is false.

2019-03-01 22:41:00 UTC  

I just don't do it with you.

2019-03-01 22:41:24 UTC  

He likes me <3

2019-03-01 22:41:46 UTC  

That is common in any arena i suppose. There is merit to it, but we do need ppl willing to compomise.

2019-03-01 22:43:00 UTC  

Compromising is a very useful thing, but also a damaging thing if you are standing up for a principle.

2019-03-01 22:43:40 UTC  

i would argue that it is only damaging if you are compromising in the wrong direction

2019-03-01 22:43:46 UTC  

like with 2A rights

2019-03-01 22:44:00 UTC  

I won't compromise when it comes to our constitution, no matter how many people "feel" its a good thing.

2019-03-01 22:44:15 UTC  

And i'm talking about the 1A right now.

2019-03-01 22:45:00 UTC  

its just an example. like wanting to repeal the NFA, but compromising on legalizing suppressors. its the direction of compromising that is key

2019-03-01 22:46:08 UTC  

a more 1A example in the wrong direction would be rejecting hate speech legislation, but allowing for blasphemy legislation

2019-03-01 22:50:03 UTC  

And as censoring freedom of expression goes against our constitution (and human rights), its asking for blasphemy legislation.

2019-03-01 22:51:32 UTC  

i think you missed my point. both are bad, and one is a subset of the other, so compromising in that direction is harmful

2019-03-01 22:52:21 UTC  

No, i got that.