lying is viewed as immoral yet people do it anyway

No, they believe that their religion justifies it, not that it's morally acceptable. They know what they are doing is wrong, they simply believe that their religion commands it

So If someone else wants to rape a child you wont stop them

they put their own needs or wants above their morality

or beliefs

they are just weak and self centred people

Morality isnt a belief. It's human nature

these are all false equivalencies. not all people share the same moral compass. different people have different points of view. its not wrong to acknowledge that. im sure i have different morals than many of you.

morality isnt human nature you brainlet.

people having different points of view does not disprove objectivity of a thing

but morality isnt objective you fucking idiots.

there are people who believe that certain kinds of tech are legit magic

is there any country with laws where murder isn't illegal?

Yes it is objective

>hurr durr it isnt human nature
>suddenly almost every single nation outlaws murder, rape, slavery, etc.
>Not human nature

MORALITY ~principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

it's been universally decided by all societies all communities that murder is immoral, it's why it's a crime

Morality is objective. Whether or not you know those moral values is the only subjective thing

hmm it's starting to thunder here I might have to log soon

Morality can only function as an absolute

it hasn't been universally decided because many people think killing certain people is ok.

lol

So if all your friends jumped off a cliff would you?

no, he's not arguing for morality by majority

fuck all my friends are dead so probably.

no they think they're justified in doing so, at ignoring the morality because of their beliefs

do they think murdering anyone is ok or just a certain person or group?

he's just not making any case for subjective morality over objective, but that's also because nobody is stating an actual concrete position

@Beemann That's ultimately what subjective morality leads to: might make right

slavery used to be moral now its not. morality changes.

it was never moral

no. the times change.

but it was practiced

some proposed moral frameworks are measurably better than others, by virtue of their consequences. Ergo there is a "correct" answer

you are all very closed minded.

lol

morality doesn't shift at all if it's one absolute standard

If everyone had different moral values on how we should run society, society would cease to exist. Countries with "different moral values" are simply countries with a lack of, or an abundance of certain moral values over others. Every single citizen of that society holds those same morsl values, and thats the main reason why that society is able to stand. Morality cannot be subjective, if it were, nations could not exist. Period.

principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.