We have a biological intuition to advance the human race, not a value judgement

i wasnt refering to that and biology has no effect on morality equating the two is moronic at best.

why wouldnt it have an effect on morality?

so if i think killing all low iq racial groups would advance humanity i am moraly in the right.

Our current moral framework is informed by biology

that has nothing to do with the biological imperative

what about morality has any link to biology? explain it for my pea brain please.

Biology has a huge effect on morality. Even other non-human species have some sort of moral framework, such as protecting their family from harm, or not just fucking killing each other.

Do you hold a child as accountable for misdeeds as an adult? Do you not consider how likely your family is to survive and thrive when making decisions overall?

there are a variety of components that feed into our moral framework that are based on our knowledge of the world, and our biological drive

biological drive is to procreate so im not sure how that links to morality.

Biology affects morality which affects whether or not we make morally unacceptable decisions.

how does it effect morality though?

explain the link

Without biology, where do we get our morality? out of thin air? god?

stop just saying they are linked

even many nonsensical moral rulings are based on what was, at one point, survival

your drive is to survive long enough to procreate and help ensure your offspring do the same. To that end, you want a habitat that works for you and your offspring

Unless you're religious, there is no other explanation for morality existing. It comes from biology. We evolved to be a sociable species.

to get this you compromise. The collective security pact then abhors wanton murder

because that lowers the stability and safety of the individual components

would any of you ever be soldiers? ever fight?

We doing some fight club shit?

I suspect I'll have to do so, if things continue to deteriorate

I'm down

Maybe, but id have to get into shape

Where we meeting?

sorry can't tell you

you know rule 1

and rule 2

Cant not tell me 😉

Those rules were made to be broken. Ala anarchy

fighting implies killing. you said that murder is wrong but you are willing to fight. a person could now view you as immoral. make sense?

they would be wrong, but they could say that yes

I mean..I've stabbed someone before.. so sure

so if somebody disagrees with you they are wrong?

self defense, and defense of others, is a moral imperative

what if you only intend to defend your personal beliefs?

The reason that different nations fight is because of different moral structures, not because they believe that fighting is morally acceptable, but because they believe that their structure of morality is superior to the other nation.

if a tribe cannot defend itself, it is taken over or eliminated

what do you mean by "defend my personal beliefs"?