At least they got themselves a few Gadsden flags to spur some esprit de corps

took them a few centuries but at least some of the see the light

Still not sure what to make of continuing to use left/right in political discussion. I think the Asian Capitalists were on to something to present the idea of a Political Triangle vs political compass

Ultimately, left-wing logic seems to inevitably lead to Socialist ideology, but being Right wing doesn’t indicate a unified ideology, the only thing in common is opposition to the Left

thats why I think it's a worthless scale

Depending on your preference to authority, you can span from Absolute Monarchy to Ancap as a rightwinger

I dunno

that said there's factions on the left too

the old guard hates the hipsters

By itself it is a useful distinction, but it’s ramapantly misused

there's a segment of the left, particularly in Canada, that does genuinely care about the workers

On purpose, I think

and they cannot stand the socialist idpol nutjobs

I think then the only difference between leftwingers tho is their dedication to pragmatism vs idealism

And depending on how consistently an individual leftie adheres to principles, if they have any, is toward total obliteration of private property

eh, I think there are people who dont take up communal/state ownership as a principle, and there's also a difference re: freedom of speech and the like

old school lefties are more inclined to be pro-rights outside of property and maybe religious rights

eh

well in any case, it still seems that Left/Right is a useful distinction, but widely misunderstood, and used incorrectly

Now I realize too u can’t define Right-wing as property-rights-first

nope

ala Tucker

there's no consistent set of principles for either "side"

yes

but the Malice definition seems to be a good description

the principle is simply whether u are egalitarian-first, or recognize people are different not equal first

and u can get splintering ideologies based off those first two branches

well that also depends on what you mean by "people are equal"

legally, yes. On average people dont deviate that much for the most part. Even lefties though will ultimately admit that skill levels are different

yes? 😊

blank slatism is not universal on the left

and even when it is it's often selective

That’s part of the speech

Which isn’t to say it’s morally wrong, it’s just part of the definition

I think you get people on the right who would also ask what you mean by equal

Sure

And i have to admit I’m sticking to a formula that I heard from Malice so I can’t own it, altho I do believe its accuracy

But the script is to simply restate the question. Part of the reason the test works is because u leave it to the subject to determine what u mean by “equal”

The frame they see “equality” in is indicative of the leftiness or rightiness

Speaking for myself,

I would consider first that peaceful society relies on treating everybody’s person and property with equal respect, and that this behavior is a given and doesn’t need explanation