Message from @Beemann

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2019-05-18 20:08:06 UTC  

Except that ancoms would probably claim to be for economic freedom

2019-05-18 20:08:35 UTC  

you can reword it

2019-05-18 20:08:37 UTC  

“Property rights” is probably a better description of the acis

2019-05-18 20:08:41 UTC  

*axis

2019-05-18 20:08:47 UTC  

but the crux of it is that property rights vs communal or state ownership is the issue

2019-05-18 20:08:59 UTC  

and then communal vs state is modified by centralized/decentralized power

2019-05-18 20:10:04 UTC  

Breaking; Terror attack in UK.
https://youtu.be/R9cZDDEtiWE

2019-05-18 20:10:55 UTC  

which is why putting Richard Spencer, who is like, a straight line on the right, in with someone like me, who leans towards a straightish line on the left, but not all the way over, makes less sense than comparing him to a socialist

2019-05-18 20:11:09 UTC  

who is going to be L/R/R

2019-05-18 20:13:26 UTC  

UK is going to get fucking people's militias and vigilante gangs if they dont smarten the fuck up

2019-05-18 20:14:25 UTC  

At least they got themselves a few Gadsden flags to spur some esprit de corps

2019-05-18 20:14:42 UTC  

took them a few centuries but at least some of the see the light

2019-05-18 20:16:17 UTC  

Still not sure what to make of continuing to use left/right in political discussion. I think the Asian Capitalists were on to something to present the idea of a Political Triangle vs political compass

2019-05-18 20:17:49 UTC  

Ultimately, left-wing logic seems to inevitably lead to Socialist ideology, but being Right wing doesn’t indicate a unified ideology, the only thing in common is opposition to the Left

2019-05-18 20:18:05 UTC  

thats why I think it's a worthless scale

2019-05-18 20:18:20 UTC  

Depending on your preference to authority, you can span from Absolute Monarchy to Ancap as a rightwinger

2019-05-18 20:18:25 UTC  

I dunno

2019-05-18 20:18:26 UTC  

that said there's factions on the left too

2019-05-18 20:18:31 UTC  

the old guard hates the hipsters

2019-05-18 20:18:48 UTC  

By itself it is a useful distinction, but it’s ramapantly misused

2019-05-18 20:18:54 UTC  

there's a segment of the left, particularly in Canada, that does genuinely care about the workers

2019-05-18 20:18:57 UTC  

On purpose, I think

2019-05-18 20:19:00 UTC  

and they cannot stand the socialist idpol nutjobs

2019-05-18 20:20:08 UTC  

I think then the only difference between leftwingers tho is their dedication to pragmatism vs idealism

2019-05-18 20:20:55 UTC  

And depending on how consistently an individual leftie adheres to principles, if they have any, is toward total obliteration of private property

2019-05-18 20:22:37 UTC  

eh, I think there are people who dont take up communal/state ownership as a principle, and there's also a difference re: freedom of speech and the like

2019-05-18 20:22:55 UTC  

old school lefties are more inclined to be pro-rights outside of property and maybe religious rights

2019-05-18 20:23:14 UTC  

eh

2019-05-18 20:23:45 UTC  

well in any case, it still seems that Left/Right is a useful distinction, but widely misunderstood, and used incorrectly

2019-05-18 20:24:08 UTC  

Now I realize too u can’t define Right-wing as property-rights-first

2019-05-18 20:24:14 UTC  

nope

2019-05-18 20:24:16 UTC  

ala Tucker

2019-05-18 20:24:24 UTC  

there's no consistent set of principles for either "side"

2019-05-18 20:24:30 UTC  

yes

2019-05-18 20:24:50 UTC  

but the Malice definition seems to be a good description

2019-05-18 20:25:21 UTC  

the principle is simply whether u are egalitarian-first, or recognize people are different not equal first

2019-05-18 20:25:54 UTC  

and u can get splintering ideologies based off those first two branches

2019-05-18 20:27:30 UTC  

well that also depends on what you mean by "people are equal"

2019-05-18 20:28:45 UTC  

legally, yes. On average people dont deviate that much for the most part. Even lefties though will ultimately admit that skill levels are different

2019-05-18 20:28:49 UTC  

yes? 😊

2019-05-18 20:28:53 UTC  

blank slatism is not universal on the left