Message from @Beemann

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2019-05-18 20:02:58 UTC  

probably at some point but I dont recall

2019-05-18 20:03:12 UTC  

Ask someone “are some people better than others”

2019-05-18 20:03:31 UTC  

A rightwinger will say “yes”

2019-05-18 20:03:35 UTC  

A leftwinger will give u a speech

2019-05-18 20:04:13 UTC  

The punchline is that lefties either they think outright that all people are ultimately equal

2019-05-18 20:05:08 UTC  

or they recognize people aren’t inherently equal, but they have to manage the cognitive dissonance from the conflict with their commitment to egalitarianism

2019-05-18 20:06:23 UTC  

I would say that you want to measure
social change to social conservatism
economic freedom to economic control
decentralized power to centralized power
for your main 3

2019-05-18 20:06:33 UTC  

PRECISELY

2019-05-18 20:06:46 UTC  

you can probably come up with a few other large categories but that's basically it

2019-05-18 20:07:20 UTC  

that’s definitely more accurate than the “politicalcompass.org” test

2019-05-18 20:07:26 UTC  

ancaps are your all the way freedom, ancommmies are a triangle, etc

2019-05-18 20:08:06 UTC  

Except that ancoms would probably claim to be for economic freedom

2019-05-18 20:08:35 UTC  

you can reword it

2019-05-18 20:08:37 UTC  

“Property rights” is probably a better description of the acis

2019-05-18 20:08:41 UTC  

*axis

2019-05-18 20:08:47 UTC  

but the crux of it is that property rights vs communal or state ownership is the issue

2019-05-18 20:08:59 UTC  

and then communal vs state is modified by centralized/decentralized power

2019-05-18 20:10:04 UTC  

Breaking; Terror attack in UK.
https://youtu.be/R9cZDDEtiWE

2019-05-18 20:10:55 UTC  

which is why putting Richard Spencer, who is like, a straight line on the right, in with someone like me, who leans towards a straightish line on the left, but not all the way over, makes less sense than comparing him to a socialist

2019-05-18 20:11:09 UTC  

who is going to be L/R/R

2019-05-18 20:13:26 UTC  

UK is going to get fucking people's militias and vigilante gangs if they dont smarten the fuck up

2019-05-18 20:14:25 UTC  

At least they got themselves a few Gadsden flags to spur some esprit de corps

2019-05-18 20:14:42 UTC  

took them a few centuries but at least some of the see the light

2019-05-18 20:16:17 UTC  

Still not sure what to make of continuing to use left/right in political discussion. I think the Asian Capitalists were on to something to present the idea of a Political Triangle vs political compass

2019-05-18 20:17:49 UTC  

Ultimately, left-wing logic seems to inevitably lead to Socialist ideology, but being Right wing doesn’t indicate a unified ideology, the only thing in common is opposition to the Left

2019-05-18 20:18:05 UTC  

thats why I think it's a worthless scale

2019-05-18 20:18:20 UTC  

Depending on your preference to authority, you can span from Absolute Monarchy to Ancap as a rightwinger

2019-05-18 20:18:25 UTC  

I dunno

2019-05-18 20:18:26 UTC  

that said there's factions on the left too

2019-05-18 20:18:31 UTC  

the old guard hates the hipsters

2019-05-18 20:18:48 UTC  

By itself it is a useful distinction, but it’s ramapantly misused

2019-05-18 20:18:54 UTC  

there's a segment of the left, particularly in Canada, that does genuinely care about the workers

2019-05-18 20:18:57 UTC  

On purpose, I think

2019-05-18 20:19:00 UTC  

and they cannot stand the socialist idpol nutjobs

2019-05-18 20:20:08 UTC  

I think then the only difference between leftwingers tho is their dedication to pragmatism vs idealism

2019-05-18 20:20:55 UTC  

And depending on how consistently an individual leftie adheres to principles, if they have any, is toward total obliteration of private property

2019-05-18 20:22:37 UTC  

eh, I think there are people who dont take up communal/state ownership as a principle, and there's also a difference re: freedom of speech and the like

2019-05-18 20:22:55 UTC  

old school lefties are more inclined to be pro-rights outside of property and maybe religious rights

2019-05-18 20:23:14 UTC  

eh

2019-05-18 20:23:45 UTC  

well in any case, it still seems that Left/Right is a useful distinction, but widely misunderstood, and used incorrectly

2019-05-18 20:24:08 UTC  

Now I realize too u can’t define Right-wing as property-rights-first