Is anything that contradicts your preconceptions automatically assumed to be lies?

No, @C1PHER, *lies* are lies.
@Beemann here wants me to believe 2+2≠4, where my experience is 2+2≡4.
My experience is that *ALL* libertarians hate *ALL* government; The so-called *"moderates"* more or less *tolerate* local government... *As long as there's no law enforcement.* (Sometimes said *gendarmes* if being kindly, but most often said as *gestappo,* spelling errors and all.)
Now ¿*ONE "libertarian"* is saying *'No none of us are like that, those are just purists, those are anecdotal"* (and **DON'T** use that word with me, leftists turned it into a dirty word) *'**I'm** the real example"* and I'm supposed to just *accept* it? ¿*THOUSANDS* of *"purists"* are ***ALL*** lying, you're the way the light and the truth?
... You're joking, ¿right?
It's not on ***ME*** to prove ***MY***expirence is wrong, it's on ***YOU*** to prove my experience is wrong. Calling it *"bad faith statements"* is doing a lot to prove everything I've *perceived* about libertarians is correct.
Legalize claims he was banned from Reddit for ***ONE*** comment that *'wasn't supportive **ENOUGH**'* of gay pride; That's a prima facie bullshit statement... Except for the fact that it's happened to me *for even less.* (I asked if anyone was willing to discuss MandatoryCarry, I was banned by my own first *reply* because *"that's not libertarian."*)
¿You want me to believe 2+2≠4? Prove it. Otherwise, stop trying to bullshit me; I'm not buying it.

You're trying to argue that there's some sort of objective truth to your subjective experience, while assuming that others providing their subjective experience are arguing in bad faith. Nobody's going to want to engage in a conversation like that

Because it's bullshit.
I grew up with cattle, I know the smell a mile away. Now if you're gonna prove to me libertarians ARENT non-violent extreme anti-government weirdos then do so otherwise stop lying to me. You're wasting your time and mine.

The easiest way to "prove" that would be informing you that I'm a libertarian who's not anti-government. But you've already dismissed such claims as trolling.

Pretty much, ya.
***YOU*** are the *"anecdote,"* not the norm.

Also Matt has often described himself as libertarian leaning and I wouldnt call him a non-violent extreme anti-government weirdo

Your idea of the burden of proof is a strange one

"If you do it, it's just an anecdote. If I do it, it's hard evidence"

*'I don't care how many millions of people say 2+2=4,* FOR ME, *2+2=5 and that makes it true.'*
@Legalize
Remind me never to defend you again. 😒

We'rs not talking about 2 and 2 though, we're talking about a circular argument you've made

From 1:43 onwards I agree with Legalize

But that's a I've read

i'm a libertarian who wants limited government, not the abolition of government, so add one more to the anecdote 😉

Kek

@Mandatory Carry taxation is theft OLD MAN

Since you've demanded I prove my *perception* that libertarians I've dealt with are anti-government, @Beemann, I *chose* to indulge your fantasy world;
https://www.lp.org/platform/

*"Libertarian Party

"2018 Platform

"As adopted by convention, July 2018.

"PREAMBLE

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others. ... The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power. ... We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose. ... Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent. ... We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual..."*

And that's your own party platform.
So yes, we **ARE** talking about *"2+2."* (Now watch this...)

@Legalize
No, I did not.
***IN FACT,*** since you went there for me, quotation marks (") mean "absolute quote" whereas apostrophes (') mean not absolute quote ('such as paraphrasing'). I *could point out that Beeman's use of quotation marks attributes to me something I **didn't** say, or I *could* be nice and just assume he wasn't familiar with the proper grammar, since our schools leave **MUCH** to be desired these days.
Since it doesn't 'appear' that he's trying to plagerize me, I'm going to assume the later.
¿Anyone ***ELSE***wanna try this *"old man"*? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ah fuck that deserves another 🤣

Shit, ¿where did those extra hard returns come from? 😠

You didn't say merely 'all the libertarians I know are anarchists', you said 'all the libertarians I know are anarchists *and* that means all libertarians are anarchists *and* anyone who disagrees with that statement is not merely wrong but a liar'.

I mean, do you really not see what a totally insane standard that is @Mandatory Carry?

Wow learned something new today about paraphrasing quotations

TAHNKS DAD @Mandatory Carry

I'm still trying to figure out if he blocked me for 'lying' aka disagreeing with him so maybe he won't see or reply to that.

Nothing in the preamble says abolish government.

" ... We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual..."

pretty straightforward

*dabs on that*

Big strong.

Big Brain.

🤤

I wish we cud send pics in this

theres the pics channel tho

I'm disappointed every time I try and forget

but yea

just tag the person

Nah

It was a joke for the class

🤷🏼

@uncephalized
See, *'that's how apostrophes work.'
And no, that *is* a reasonable paraphrasing, because that is kind of what I said- Because I just f-ing quoted from the libertarian party's own platform.
... ¿Oops? (BTW, no, you're bullshit's actually kinda funny- like when a 3 year old with chocolate all over his face says, "no, I didn't eat the cake...")
@Big T
I'm sorry, they ***WERE***smart enough to not coming outright treason.
*"Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own,"* blah blah blah.
Once is an accident. I can let that slide.
Twice is malicious. I give you... Hmmm... ¿8 seconds at current reply rate?

Me and the boys, waiting for mandatori

Dad... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Mandatory Carry lol what are you going on about?