Did he bring up the violinist argument

Yes that was the whole middle of the video

It’s a really stupid argument

Of course, because it ignores the question of responsibility.

Right and it only addresses rape. Nothing else.

Hey uhhh, what're you guys talking about?

Abortion

Shitty pro abortion arguments?

The Everdebate

Yeah jonclive posted a pro-choice video above

Asking for opinions.

@Salacious Swanky Cat yeah I didn't even think about the fact that the kidnapping scenario is the direct equivalent of a rape.

Exactly. That’s the only situation it addresses.

And it doesn’t even prove that abortion is acceptable.

The argument is sneakily attempting to assert that consensual procreative sex is equivalent to rape if the woman merely changes her mind later.

Which is basically the standard that modern feminism uses anyway.

The problem with the whole abortion thing is the fact that they cant prove that killing the baby isn't murder

It’s just the person stating that their personal convenience is more important than life.

They'll never make progress

There's nearly no middle ground

Even in cases of rape it's still a baby they're killing

More important than *a life they bear the burden of responsibility for through their own choice* @Salacious Swanky Cat

to be clear, I am adamantly pro-life

The only way they can ever get someone on the pro life side to change their mind is if they're not entirely pro life

@Clive good.

so much that I'm contemplating shifting by opinion on death penalty

Gross

Lol

contemplating

I understand

I used to be pro-choice and then I grew up and had kids.

how many? ages?

Boy 3yr, girl 1yr, boy -3 months

-3 lol

boy 4 months

LOL

Congrats

4 months is an awesome time. Is he moving around yet?

tilting his head mostly, rolling over

thats all

oh and yelling gibberish