The sperm getting inside of the egg is conception. So I guess so.

do you have children?

No.

I have a 4 month old so I've recently gone through this and that's why I'm more interested and subsequently more confused

Fertility treatment?

the old fashioned way 😎

well done

Oh. Ok. Cool

Obviously the goal behind fertility treatment is the polar opposite of abortion

but I live in CA so dealing with doctors and insurance is annoying, they assert that you're not pregnant until a time that the doctor says "okay you're pregnant" which sucks morally and financially

I think the process should be made more effective and efficient so other children won’t die.

That’s ridiculous. Screw California

i know

I"m trying to move

I've already talked about this on this thread tho

Most of the way through the video. I have thoughts.

Move to Alabama

hmm

thinking Dallas

His argument focuses entirely on rights with absolutely no consideration that actions undertaken by adults might carry concomitant responsibilities.

oooh I've heard that word before

I hate the guy in the vid

I dont think ill make it through

For instance, that by having sex you might in fact be consenting to the responsibility for any offspring that result.

No crap.

Should be obvious

Yeah he is using every rhetorical trick in the book to make his opponents seem inconsistent without actually attacking their arguments directly.

Well, the first two arguments I heard were garbage so I stopped watching

If you bring up fertility clinics in a discussion about abortion then you are just being dishonest

The idea that a person's responsibility for a random unrelated person ought to be exactly equivalent to their responsibility for 1) their own family members and 2) a child they created themselves is ludicrous.

Well, kind of. I actually think that was one of his stronger points. Only effective if you believe *conception* is 'the line' though.

Did he bring up the violinist argument

Yes that was the whole middle of the video

It’s a really stupid argument

Of course, because it ignores the question of responsibility.

Right and it only addresses rape. Nothing else.

Hey uhhh, what're you guys talking about?

Abortion

Shitty pro abortion arguments?

The Everdebate

Yeah jonclive posted a pro-choice video above