But we already have that

The draft?

Beemann, Heinlein has the most consistent vision of civic nationalism I've ever heard. Except maybe for Islam.

Yes, already having it doesn't make it good

Agreed, dev

For starters, service is more than military
As a followup, I dont think you can give the state the ability to force people into service without making severe structural sacrifices that will lead to more abuse down the line

The US continues to be my favourite example of both the good and bad of its own system, and the stated goals of that system

I just think everyone should be trained on how to defend their country. With military training also comes how to safely handle weapons etc etc.

But I of course recognize that there are authoritarian elements of implementing such a system

I would only go so far as a basic understanding of firearms and training in their use, again as part of civics education

Im not dismissing that.

Everything beyond that is up to the citizen. Part of liberty is trusting people to look out for their own interests, and allowing (in a legal sense) them to make bad decisions within the confines of fundamental law

Switzerland is also militantly neutral, so there's less chance of dying on behalf of Afghanistan when your time comes to enlist. I have serious reservations about mandatory service combined with the way the US utilizes its military around the world

Honestly, Im also really fucking sick of anti-american estrogen damaged soyboys who gets so triggered by the word obese that they have to take a 15 min timeout in their safe space

That's true as well I suppose.

Oh sure, but that's because we've gone too far in one direction

@C1PHER you make a fair point

Like, there was backlash because the culture wasn't considered open enough, which can be an issue wrt overall improvement

But now we've clearly overcompensated

Instead of the idea that people should be able to make mistakes, and should have social consequences for being shitty, the implication is that shitty decision should be supported

We've also gone from what should be a goal of redemption and reintegration to social exile

Greetings all. I was told by a friend that there is a person here that collects and uses fountain pens. I myself collect and use mechanical pencils. It was suggested that I come here, introduce myself and then fight Fountain Pen Man to the death.

Not sure what word I was typing out that autocorrect turned into compensated

Maybe complimented

Also, the obese story happened on my first day of psychology class😂 the person showed up in a bear onesie

@Gunner Fox you'll want @Legalize

Yeah the weight thing is absurd

Especially when these people want universal healthcare

You cannot have both

🎩 Cheers. I imagine I will have deadly conversation of great lethality with monsignor Legalize 😁

@Beemann I feel like obesity would be the most compelling argument to why we shouldnt implement universal healthcare. But ya know, the fatties want "free" healthcare cause they dont wanna lose weight so they can work

YESS.. GOOOOOD

I am fire aligned afterall~

Hmm.... Does a duel to the death count as a <#586033832277442590> ?

@Legalize I use pencil too and Im impressed by your passion

This is why I'm actually not a fan of the notion of the popular vote. I dont think the goal should be to try to use government power for personal interest

I mean the purpose of electoral college is to protect the states against the absolute power of coastal cities

If we didnt have EC, New York and Los Angeles would basically rule the entire union

Yup, and it's why Canada rejected proportional representation

Imagine having californians rule the country

Gross

I have only one fountain pen. Behold! @Legalize