Message from @A. Spader

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2019-10-24 17:34:53 UTC  

Some lutheran churches are way more progressive and left leaning than others

2019-10-24 17:35:12 UTC  

Then you have super old school lutheran churches as well

2019-10-24 17:35:52 UTC  

My husbands family is part of the latter

2019-10-24 17:37:07 UTC  

I grew up in a pretty liberal and progressive branch of episcopal. Had gay and lesbian priests etc

2019-10-24 17:40:12 UTC  

Why do so many Catholics act like there isnt a huge split between Latin Modernist, like the current pope, and Integralists like Sourab ahrabi (im not spelling his name correctly) in their church

2019-10-24 17:41:09 UTC  

It isn't a unified institution at all

2019-10-24 17:42:58 UTC  

A lot of the Catholic church's legitimacy comes from it's size and appearance of fidelity to original scripture. Acknowledging internal division undermines that.

2019-10-24 17:44:33 UTC  

Ya, and the biggest part for me is that the Christian Church since its founding has been arguing over texts since its inception

2019-10-24 17:45:48 UTC  

Some of the first factions within the church were the Nestorians, Chalcedonian and Arians

2019-10-24 17:46:03 UTC  

There were others as well those are just the ones I remember

2019-10-24 17:57:41 UTC  

What's the strawman?

2019-10-24 17:59:23 UTC  

Arians were close to universally decried by the early church

2019-10-24 17:59:57 UTC  

the arians were eventually brought back into the church

2019-10-24 18:00:17 UTC  

and many of the gothic tribes that invaded rome were in themselves arian Christians

2019-10-24 18:00:39 UTC  

Arian or aryan?

2019-10-24 18:00:58 UTC  

and I'm not sure they technically were ever outside faith. It's merely a doctrinal difference that most people agreed was incorrect

2019-10-24 18:00:59 UTC  

So not the persian tribe

2019-10-24 18:01:04 UTC  
2019-10-24 18:01:09 UTC  

Thanks

2019-10-24 18:01:35 UTC  

Im not stating whether it was correct. What Im saying it an interpretation that had to be debated

2019-10-24 18:01:51 UTC  

okay, your point being what

2019-10-24 18:01:54 UTC  

christain history is full of this stuff

2019-10-24 18:02:10 UTC  

which proves what exactly?

2019-10-24 18:03:28 UTC  

What im saying is that its a continually process due to the finite lives people have

2019-10-24 18:03:50 UTC  

what is a continual process?

2019-10-24 18:03:52 UTC  

Followers will always focus or disregard parts of a text due to the relavence it is to them

2019-10-24 18:03:53 UTC  

Doctrine?

2019-10-24 18:04:40 UTC  

Yes, sadly you cant degree that a matter is settled, people often most be convinced

2019-10-24 18:05:07 UTC  

And sometimes some doctrine just wont appeal to others just because of the relevance it has to them

2019-10-24 18:10:13 UTC  

@Legalize thanks. I didnt even know that was a branch of christianity lol

2019-10-24 18:11:41 UTC  

I was referring to personal relationship people have to their faith, at the end of the day it comes down to a personal relationship with God and Jesus. And certain doctrine will be more effective and relevant to one person than another

2019-10-24 18:16:31 UTC  

^

2019-10-24 18:16:54 UTC  

Yes it's about our relationship with Christ, but that relies on us listening to *his* word, not him listening to ours

2019-10-24 18:17:30 UTC  

I would make that same argument for the Catholic church, if the latin modernist become more popular your church will become part of the progressive Christian movement

2019-10-24 18:18:27 UTC  

Anyways ill have to end it here. I have class to get to

2019-10-24 18:18:31 UTC  

well 'progressive Christian movement' is a rather broad term, and as such I'd be careful applying it

2019-10-24 18:18:51 UTC  

many catholics say that all protestantism is "progressive Christianity"

2019-10-24 18:19:03 UTC  

a concept I completely disagree with

2019-10-24 18:19:15 UTC  

Protestants say the same about catholics as well

2019-10-24 18:19:22 UTC  

a dumb generalized statement

2019-10-24 18:19:53 UTC  

^