Otherwise, sounds great.

Also, NatSocs aren't fascists.

What's the difference?

You guys ever see that show Man in The High Castle?

At the absolute highest level? Fascists believe the state creates the nation. NatSocs believe the reverse.

The show is supposed to present a nightmarish scenario if the Germans won the war, but ever notice how the new Nazi world looks like a total utopia lmao.

It's weird to think of a nation outside the context of a state.

it may look like a utopia but there's still the dark underbelly

like the Nazi officer's kid getting sick

@FitnessByHeatherHeyer That's what I've heard.

Lmao the left still trying to pretend they care about free speech

^

@MechMage Maybe. But that is an extremely recent phenomenon.

Hate speech is not free speech and anything I disagree with is hate speech

Stating the obvious.

Hate speech is best speech.

t h e r e i s o n l y h a t e s p e e c h

If only...

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But yeah, fascists were essentially CivNat cucks.

@MechMage think of the Kurds

That's a nation without a state

I don't know all that much about the middle east beyond that it's a quagmire.

It's something to think about anyway.

Then think about American blacks vs American whites.

Or even better, American blacks pre Civil Rights Act.

A nation with (basically) no state representation.

The way you're using the word nation (I'm clarifying because mostly I've heard it used as a near synonym for state) is "a group of people with a common culture history and lineage" correct?

Pretty much.

Blood and soil, essentially.

A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.

Are the fascist and national socialist conceptions of the nation/state relationship descriptive or prescriptive?

A little bit of both.

Fascism tried to define the state, in essentially a psuedo religious conception. And then defined the "nation's" role in forwarding the interest of the state.

NatSocs described the Volk, and then envisioned the role of the state as serving the purpose of forwarding the Volk's interest.

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It is worth noting that as anti-egalitarians, they recognized that the role of the state would be different for each Volk.

Since nations are inherently different.

What would it take for it to have been a full-on religion?

Probably some aspect of the supernatural or mystical.