I hate the java runtime

@FrostyCrits Only said it because I thought I saw some Java above. Although reading in more depth it appears to be C# which I have zero experience with

because fuck Microsoft

at work, we have 2 branches of security systems, we diverged ours to be based on wpf and c# .net, and the rail and subway management shit for big systems like NYC and chicago went Java

and theyre regretting that now

They got on the board of Linux, now linux is becoming 'Woke' so ya fuck Microsoft

so my project is now to make a common core base of UI stuff to convert them all over to C# and WPF

brb, gotta let the dog out

Java was holding up for a long time but c# 8 blasts Java out of the water

I like microsoft, why do you hate microsoft?

open source promise? roslyn compiler open source? pretty based

I hate how theyre spying on people with windows 10, i hate a lot of their projects, but

theyve adopted the google model. Dont sell software, sell peoples data essentially

I don't necessarily hate Microsoft, or at least their research wing. And C# is probably a perfectly fine language. But apart from the shitty data trading practices you pointed out, their software tends not to be great

plus you can run c# apps on any platform now with .net core

Windows is a hulking mess

And I wish i could consider Linux viable, but I just cant for what i do

even when I'm in end-user mode I find it painful to use. And since that's Microsoft's flagship product, it doesn't exactly warm me up to the rest of Microsoft since anything you might not know about them might be just as bad

Its bloated as fuck agreed, I fucking HATE this app store idea, i HATE UWP, i think desktop devs have been pathetic with their non emphasis on UI/UX

We support open source, see, here's the source code for ms-dos 2

Lol cmon, almost everything for dev is open source

not Windows 10 of course, which is a pipe dream

My main OS is Debian, which takes ca 30-45 seconds from kernel launch/boot to the window server starting up. Not lightspeed but it's respectable

what is Debian

Linux distro

actually the basis for Ubuntu, but without Ubuntu's cruft

by contrast, on the same hardware, Windows 10 takes about 5 minutes before the desktop is actually usable. Now I appreciate that there are several hundred daemons that need to be launched and running in the background, but that's also true of most Linux desktop distributions. Why does Windows take so long?

Can i run that on a mega dev machine and have it fluently support 5 or 6 4K screens

mine loads in maybe 20 seconds, boot with win10 on my machine has always been good

That's actually a good question. Yes, you can on Windows 10. But I think the proprietary display and GPU drivers for Linux are good enough to achieve the same results

but you're right that there is a lot more dev attention toward hardware compatibility with Windows since that's the dominant operating system in the market

I have an array of 10 drives, maybe ill take one out and try installing that

I am unhappy with microsoft 10's forced updates and data policy

Now, limiting yourself to open source drivers? Probably not. Nvidia's proprietary drivers have been good for me, but nouveau (the open-source alternative) isn't nearly as good

I used Mate under ubuntu, loved it but couldn't run DX9 stuff with Wine so I had to duel boot and somehow I just always seem to wind up in Winblows

I play some older games that use DX9

Can i install Visual Studio 2019 on that

I know theres a Mac version

https://appdb.winehq.org/

VS2019 might have an entry in the Wine AppDB

then again, you might have issues compiling C# code. I don't know if there are toolchains to compile to PE format that work in Wine