Actually skilled people

Regression to mean is a thing

grateful to be here

No. It lowers wages in a sector that is a path to upward mobility for natives

It also drains off brains from other, often poorer, countries that then clanor for American aid. Fuck all that

But what if we just didn't give them that aid

for America - we are the third most populated nation on earth with some of the most prestigious schools in the world and are the leader or close to the leader in every industry, there is no reason to import labor

In fact, labor would benefit from mass deportations.

Hateful

there is no job that American citizens cant do for themselves

Wages going up on top of that tax break would be great for anyone who isn't a Jew swindler.

But the GDP

Fuck your gdp and the Judaism it rode in on.

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Usury should be illegal

Capital punishment. That's what the fubi fuckbois should be rooting out. If that faggot Hoover had done his actual job he'd have locked meyor lansky and his Jew fuck buddies

FBI*

Sure, we can train anyone, but we can always use more engineers and whatnot. Picking up the best from around the world can only help us as a country. The amount that wages are going to be suppressed when you're at such a high end is likely not going to be that big of a deal, and at the end of the day it'll result in cheaper and better products for those very same low-level laborers who are most harmed by our current practices

lmfao

Cheap consumer goods isn't a public good, and you have no reason that importation of labor would have only a marginal effect on wages.

brain drain for those nations - if you care, and importing cultures dissimilar to our own is not constructive

whatever immediate need it fills is offset by the intangible cost of diluting the identity of the nation

Again, regression to mean is a thing

The parents may be exception but the children will most likely be average

America is an information economy, so hard sciences etc are where we are most vulnerable to wage suppression, which is why the neocons are pushing for quota destruction and h1b increases.

Because I'm talking about importation of only high level people. Their wages are so high in large part because there are so few of them, and if their wages are somewhat suppressed, it'll be fine as long as they're still making 5 figures. If you can show me figures that say that there's gonna be massive wage reduction I'd totally be willing to give them a looksie, but I don't think that the statistics show that it's that much. It matters more to the low-level person, though.

Also, uhhhhh you seem to assume that I am big into importing people from the third world

a huge amount of workers in silicon valley are immigrants, mostly from India

The standards are low there too

its either 1/3 or 2/3, cant remember the story but it was recent

A friend of mine who works in the industry told me these management types bring in Indian workers to bring down operating costs and get a bonus and then the company starts to do worse because the schooling standards in India are worse but by then the guy who made the decision is long gone

Right but I feel like the process might currently be a bit corrupt. Like are we looking for the cheapest best labor or just looking to put the very best at the front of the immigration line? If we're taking fucking indian universities at their face value something is fucked up

doesnt matter, do we need white europeans? they literally have no right wing parties and vote for such liberal policies that the term "rapefugee" is in the public lexicon

America has enough people, a moratorium on immigration is the only sensible option

there is no case for immigration

Hmmmmm it would be very difficult to actually find conservatives, but if we were looking for conservative koreans and japanese people to import we could probably find them. And the question isn't so much why do we *need* them it is what could we build with them. We could probably live just fine if we closed borders and stopped trading, but would it be better than not doing so? We'd give up all sorts of foreign luxuries and whatnot, but nothing we didn't need. It's the same with immigrants (if we're talking about skilled immigrants) because if they build a great company based in America, our access to it will be far better than if they did it wherever they came from.

Definitely agree we shouldn't be letting endless people flow through our southern border tho

our nation isnt a lego project that we need to invite strangers over to complete, our ancestors lived hard lives and fought and died to create this country for us with the basic understanding we would be good stewards and pass it down to our children - not give it away

Americans need to have a higher ideal than the GDP and what we can buy or what business an immigrant will start or how many flavors of chips there are etc

isolationism is a disingenuous argument and you know it, at no point does closing down immigration mean shutting off global trade

Politically, I agree, the American Constitution is to be preserved at all costs, however, given that we have a political document so finely crafted, we must do something with the prosperity we've been granted. I believe that economic prosperity and growth is part of that bargain, as well as scientific progress, and thus if we can import skilled labor, which actually wants to be here and likes our system and culture, to help on those fronts, we should. I don't think that by importing these people we'd be giving away our country, quite the opposite, they'd help us get nicer shit.

What is your higher ideal in place of economic and scientific advancement, and how is this ideal blocked by importing genuinely skilled and good-hearted immigrants?