if you're saying there's some right to self defence, then there must be something, some sort of fact that make it true. But if there is such a fact, how do we know it? Does it smell like anything? Can we see or hear it?

no he's just retarded

I still haven't seen you prove to me that there's some kind of innate right to self defence

lol. Viv is basically arguing that concepts can't be facts because he can't touch them.

@Viv don't have to

What an idiot

@Viv truth doesn't exist for you

when did I say that?

truth exists regardless of our knowledge of it

I've never denied truth

With his worldview, thoughts don't exist either.

This is funny

If you don’t have a right to self defence it means others have the right to harm you

no they don't?

@Viv either you are lying or you are an idiot. either way. Fuck you

lmao

your right to defense is your inalienable right to life, your life is so inherently valuable that the government is not allowed to restrict how you defend it

@Viv do natural rights, or human rights, exist, or are they entirely made up?

I don't know if you're going to claim that they exist I'm going to need you to demonstrate them.

Lol. Human rights are gay as shit.

I can have a preference not to die

@A. Spader His worldview argues that all concepts are made up.

Pretty much

It's the conclusion of it.

but that's not some inalienable right

you have an imperative for self defence and it's assumed to be universal so I guess that could seen as a right

@Viv Can someone else have a preference that you should die?

It's self refuting too. How does he know there aren't moral facts? He just asserts it.

No moral statement can be true. They are meant to be true or false, but they are ultimately false. That’s why whenever we make a moral statement, we are in error. Because we are making a statement that cannot be validated.

I can be expected to defend myself and so can you so it's accepted as the right thing to do

lol

@McFansy yes.

Is that a fact? lol. @Viv

See? incoherent

Meh, time will solve problems like Viv.

automatically

Well...

@McFansy retarded people will always exist

@Unironic Ohio Supremecist time and "tools", i guess

@McFansy Yeah, he'll probably rape the first child he gets the chance to.

Ultimately no """right""" you can't back up with force exists.