Message from @sydtko
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If you want it in prop logic, it's in here @ 30 mins
Depends on your beliefs about logic of whether *it needs a language*... since you have to delineate what that means
If "logic" is the metaphysics or the external world, that precedes us (in my belief)
And thus, there's no need for language for logic... granted, you can have higher order logics based on natural laws to communicate back the natural laws in analytic form (natural sciences)
@The Beholder You can start with any premise you want in logic except the absurd ones...
There is X (something)
There is nothing <-absurd premise
Granted, you can think of some world where you keep using the semantic place holder of "nothing" and continue logic... but it seems like it's the same thing as the vacuous tautology
There is something. (you can't make inference to particulars except "something") from this
There is nothing. (you can't make inference to particulars except "nothing") from this...
But this is a pyrrhonic argument where you dispense modus ponens completely
I don't
I've lost the plot of this one
Anytime you assert a position X.... normatively the position not X is assumed to be false...
So there already is an implicit conjugation
Assuming the LNC
https://youtu.be/66enDcUQUK0?t=2313 time stamp on nothing is an object and contradiction, then he goes over the prop logic syllogism
A = subjective
B = objective
In this argument, yes? I think they're the same thing because I don't accept LEM
A and B have some overlap... (or maybe complete overlap), they are a complete bijection <:pepeLMAO:644901342216847388>
Actually bijection might be the wrong term since it might imply only one directional inference
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If A requires B then yes there is overlap because A = some B
B =/= A
well... this is why I'm a trivialist... I disagree that they're distinct...
For the sake of discussion i let people use whatever semantics they like though
Since then you have to go "Where and when does the subjective become objective?" (You have to answer never, to be consistent)
@Yiddlemethisgoyim Have you seen the uh...
Farming wages argument for immigration?
Wages in that industry have increased like 20%... so even if you're a capitalist, your desire *should be for cheap goods*
```Between 2014 and 2018, the average hourly real wage for nonsupervisory hired farmworkers (in 2018 dollars) rose from $12.00 to $13.25, an increase of 10.4 percent. ... In 2018, the farm wage was 58.5 percent of the nonfarm wage, compared with 54.8 percent in 2014.```
@Deleted User This will be you... when you fall into watching SoL
there's some lolisiscon shit of all you need is sister <:MonkaS:643820797605183488> <:Feelsweirdman:644895953064820776>
I'm glad to say I have not and will not watch that trash
well... maybe I'll sink further into degen some day
and oreimo
That's coincidental because I was just reading the page on existence from SEP.
It's dog shit... imo...
Because Frege and Russel think existence is a second order property 😴
And that's dumb as fuck
And they have to believe that as mathematicians / platonists...
Since numbers ... especially the non-natural numbers don't exist
-infinity, -1, 0 ....
