Message from @Federico
Discord ID: 664931403829346356
"Western world falls into purview of dialectical materialism"
"if oppress ppl to point that ppl recog flaws of systems and class consc achieves critical mass then aristocrats would be unhappy
ergo aristocrats aren't interested in completely oppressing working class w/o compromising system"
@actual_communist_boi look at that huge jump at the fall of the soviets
More democracy
@Pogan🍌 "we have no reason to think that popular vote would apply for MOP seizure"
"popular vote would apply to gay rights"
"What reason would we have to believe that this *would* apply to seizing the means of production?"
"What reason would we have to believe that this *wouldn't* apply to gay rights?"
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"popular vote would apply to 'little treats'"
A: If pop vote supports X, X will occur more often than not.
B: More workers in democracy increases pop vote support for X.
C: More workers in democracy increases probability X will occur.
"i'm sure local communities pass legislation via pop vote"
"not talking about social policies"
Democrats in Congress represent the poor more than the rich while Republicans do the reverse: <https://www.nowpublishers.com/article/Details/QJPS-16077> <https://sci-hub.se/10.1561/100.00016077> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/456898615336632320/unknown.png
Democrats in Congress represent the poor; Republicans represent the rich: <http://columbia.edu/~jrl2124/partypurse.pdf> <https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/party-or-the-purse-unequal-representation-in-the-us-senate/286BFEAA039374759DE14D782A0BB8DD> <https://sci-hub.se/10.1017/S0003055419000315> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/456904734708858890/unknown.png
Democrats in Congress represent the middle class more than the rich while Republicans do the reverse: <http://matthewg.org/Gilens-Parties4.pdf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/456900147348242452/unknown.png
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RAWR!!!
*sneazes*
I don't think Pogan is claiming there's a categorical difference, it's just that he wants an argument for the claim "it can be gradual"
he literally is
he claimed there's a distinction between 'little treats' and 'seizure of MOP'
The gradual case is ontologically simpler. Someone would have to demonstrate the mechanism by which the conditional is created
The proletariat can have a little means of production as a treat
just a bit, as a treat
pogan is winning
pog
lol
PoganChamp
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love you reese
lol
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