58%, 1.5 years: in the USA between 2014 and 2017, 58.3% (7/12) desisted of 12 patients (age 14.1) with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria within 18 months of the first clinical session: <https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104518825288> <https://sci-hub.se/10.1177/1359104518825288> ```The mean length of the psychosocial assessment was 9.6months (range=2–14 months). The mean number of assessment sessions was 6.6 (range=2–9 sessions). The mean number of individual appointments was 1.7 (range=0–4 sessions) and the mean number of family sessions was 5 (range=1–8 sessions), that is, on the whole, family sessions constituted much of the assessment. During the course of assessment, seven of the young people, all of whom no longer requested medical interventions also no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their biological sex; the remainder continued in their trans identities but no longer desired medical interventions. Out of the 12 cases, the majority had not received a formal diagnosis of GD.```

80%, 8.5 years: in Toronto in 1980's-90's, 80% (36/45) desisted of 45 respondents (age 16.7) to the second wave of a survey of 45 attendees (age 8.3) of a gender identity clinic: <https://books.google.com/books?id=atfTHGjjVeIC&pg=PA290> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/661638966260269085/unknown.png [can't access table 10.5]

most trans kids don't stay trans

60-80%

(there are 5 more studies I am currently processing)

ergo most trans kids shouldn't receive trans hormones

Nice copypasta, im stealing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5CHFUvn1U

This is a good video

Cringe wall paper though

@Deleted User this is not a good video lmfao

@Deleted User the fact alone that Murray cites Lynn's Africa studies should be sufficient

Nah

Skull is still wrong

@Deleted User on what

Watch the video

actual commie boi posting transmedicalism <:REEE:644893026165981184>

@sydtko am I wrong tho

No. I was being a faux reactionary...
I'm somewhat in the transmedicalism boat

@actual_communist_boi jebaited <:Smug:643129431434461194>

And yes, you're always wrong

And always right

In some sense

Gross

You're trans med? @sydtko

Probably... if the meaning is I don't think people should be messing with their hormones without dysphoria...
Granted, underlying that is a liberal principle... so, there's discovery and science to be done of people that are willing to be... what are effectively scientific frontiersmen

Why not?

Sort of depends on which value or mindset/disposition I am in when I think about it...
A capitalist mindset might say this has negative ramifications on people's productivity
A scientist is like... "HELL YEA" more inductions

Why not what?

Also... when it comes to uh... something that parallels HRT is the garage biohackers with CRISPR. While there's massive arguments for regulating it... I also think you should allow people to do it

@Deleted User You need to clarify your question if you want a response though. "Why not..." [what] ? I've lost the referent / pronoun here

Why shouldn't they change their hormones

And I'm not sure how hormones with the informed consent model is comparable to DIY Crispr

There's risk associated with it or the medical term would be one sec...
reason not prescribe stuff

Because, in the end, you're taking on what is some amount of risk to alter your body for a better or different quality of life

And you think people shouldn't be able to do that?

This goes back to which disposition you ask me from... if it's paid by the state and then winds up having negative results on productivity or human capital, no (capitalist mindset)
However, from a science perspective, you actually have to do the inductions to know the above

To know if something is going to be highly detrimental or not

I think based on what I know about transitioning... it seems generally benign or neutral

I'm actually really triggered that I can't find the specific word for "reason not to prescribe meds"... it's a co- prefix word

The meaning of the word is like... opioids. Doctors don't give you them unless you have a severe pain problem, because opioids are relatively dangerous and you're taking on risk