Wtf

@󠀀󠀀 󠀀󠀀󠀀󠀀 󠀀󠀀 󠀀󠀀Tyler🔥 unknown, probable gay

@actual_communist_boi you are gay

oh also

@Deleted User debate me on desistance

I can't be gay because I'm enby

you may know me when I went by char @actual_communist_boi

On what

I'm gonna make you desist

we shouldn't let pre-14yo do hrt

61%, 11 years: in the Netherlands between 1989 and 2005, 61.1% (33/54) desisted of 54 respondents (age 19.2) to the second wave of a survey of 77 attendees (age 8.37) of a gender identity clinic: <https://jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567(08)60142-2/fulltext> <https://sci-hub.se/10.1097/CHI.0b013e31818956b9> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/661240469627469834/unknown.png ```Because there were no significant differences between the desistance group and the parent group for all background variables (marital status: #2 3 = 4.41, p 9 .05); diagnoses in childhood (#2 1 = 0.676, p 9 .05); nationality: (#2 4 = 2.56, p 9 .05); full-scale IQ (z = j0.27, p = .80); and psychological functioning, as measured by the Child Behavior Checklist (CBCL; total T scores [z = j0.88, p 9 .05], internalizing T scores [z = j0.84, p 9 .05], or externalizing T scores [z = j1.17, p 9 .05]), the participants in the parent group were included in the desistance group. Therefore, the desistance group consisted of 33 participants (28 boys and 5 girls).```

63%, 7 years: in the Netherlands between 2000 and 2008, 63.0% (80/127) desisted of 127 respondents and nonrespondents (age 16.1) to the second wave of a survey of 127 attendees (age 9.15) of a gender identity clinic; persistence was correlated with higher age, childhood social transition, and higher gender identity questionaire scores: <https://jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567(13)00187-1/fulltext> <http://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.jaac.2013.03.016> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/661565812766670878/unknown.png ```For the 3 desister groups, no significant differences were observed between the responders, parents who responded, and nonresponders for the demographic variables, except for childhood diagnosis (c2 [2] ¼ 6.90, p < .05). The adolescents for whom the parents responded were more likely to have a subthreshold diagnosis for GID than the responders and nonresponders. However, in their scores on the childhood measures of GD and psychological functioning, the 3 groups were not significantly different. Given this information, the 3 groups were combined to 1 group of desisters for further analyses.```

58%, 1.5 years: in the USA between 2014 and 2017, 58.3% (7/12) desisted of 12 patients (age 14.1) with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria within 18 months of the first clinical session: <https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104518825288> <https://sci-hub.se/10.1177/1359104518825288> ```The mean length of the psychosocial assessment was 9.6months (range=2–14 months). The mean number of assessment sessions was 6.6 (range=2–9 sessions). The mean number of individual appointments was 1.7 (range=0–4 sessions) and the mean number of family sessions was 5 (range=1–8 sessions), that is, on the whole, family sessions constituted much of the assessment. During the course of assessment, seven of the young people, all of whom no longer requested medical interventions also no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their biological sex; the remainder continued in their trans identities but no longer desired medical interventions. Out of the 12 cases, the majority had not received a formal diagnosis of GD.```

80%, 8.5 years: in Toronto in 1980's-90's, 80% (36/45) desisted of 45 respondents (age 16.7) to the second wave of a survey of 45 attendees (age 8.3) of a gender identity clinic: <https://books.google.com/books?id=atfTHGjjVeIC&pg=PA290> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418850379518705675/661638966260269085/unknown.png [can't access table 10.5]

most trans kids don't stay trans

60-80%

(there are 5 more studies I am currently processing)

ergo most trans kids shouldn't receive trans hormones

Nice copypasta, im stealing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5CHFUvn1U

This is a good video

Cringe wall paper though

@Deleted User this is not a good video lmfao

@Deleted User the fact alone that Murray cites Lynn's Africa studies should be sufficient

Nah

Skull is still wrong

@Deleted User on what

Watch the video

actual commie boi posting transmedicalism <:REEE:644893026165981184>

@sydtko am I wrong tho

No. I was being a faux reactionary...
I'm somewhat in the transmedicalism boat

@actual_communist_boi jebaited <:Smug:643129431434461194>

And yes, you're always wrong

And always right

In some sense

Gross

You're trans med? @sydtko

Probably... if the meaning is I don't think people should be messing with their hormones without dysphoria...
Granted, underlying that is a liberal principle... so, there's discovery and science to be done of people that are willing to be... what are effectively scientific frontiersmen

Why not?

Sort of depends on which value or mindset/disposition I am in when I think about it...
A capitalist mindset might say this has negative ramifications on people's productivity
A scientist is like... "HELL YEA" more inductions

Why not what?