the only think contradictory is that you are calling Anarcho-communism, just communism

yep

exactly

If you don't think communism means a stateless, classless society, you haven't yet provided your alternative definition - you've listed characteristics that you consider to be associated with it, but you even said yourself that you wouldn't define communism based on those characteristics

I told you from the start. Communism was never stateless

and I explained exactly why it can never be

to have true redistribution, you are required to do it by force, otherwise you would never have redistribution

Anarchists and other communists like MLs share the same end goal of the classless, stateless society, they just disagree on how to get there - "communism was never stateless" is once again a contradiction, because a society that isn't stateless can't be communistic

what do you mean by MLs?

Marxist-Leninists

communism already is an utopia by itself. But to believe that it could be achieved without a state goes to quite funny extreme of utopia

@Danacrag why would you ping me with that? when did i even state an opinion on that topic

ofc that you can believe that it would be ideal if everyone agrees on it. But it is required for everyone to believe the same thing as you

imagine if I said capitalism would work 100% if everyone agreed with my version of "true capitalism"

@beepcash wut

a system has to work even when it has enemies

In order for an anarchist society to work out, the vast majority of the people in that society have to be anarchists, sure, I never claimed that it would be easy to achieve

@Danacrag

I don't think everyone has to agree on everything 100% but they have to agree on some basic anarchistic principles at least

even if true anarchy would exist. The ancaps would ruin you =p

idk why its so hard to go back and see what you pinged ppl with but w/e

Ancaps would be re-educated

hahahha

conversion therapy

There's a little @ symbol at the top right of discord that lets you scroll through past pings

i was being sarcastic

@beepcash maybe accidental idk

"I see." Said the blind man to his deaf wife

i hope so

@LustrousMandrill for curiosity, If you were in a full communist state. You would fight against said state to achieve anarchy?

No such thing as a "full communist state", but if it were a socialist state, yes, I'd still seek the abolition of the state

A socialist state would be a huge step in the right direction though

ya, the problem here is that for you communism is anarcho-communism. That's our only disagreement from the start

if you think communism can have/be a state then you probly dont really know what communism is

or you read to many fantasy books

🤦

this is such a boring topic

like I said above, there isn't any flavor of communism that existed that didn't rely on a big authoritarian state

i see it every day

ofc you would, it's what happens when your definition of a word is totally different than the one everyone uses

"hur communism had a state in the past!"

"thats not communism! dialectics n stuff"