Message from @beepcash
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What you're saying is inherently contradictory
@LustrousMandrill I'm ok with that version of communism. It only works at small scale and small communities anyway
You're basically saying "you can't maintain a stateless society without an authoritarian state"
the only think contradictory is that you are calling Anarcho-communism, just communism
yep
exactly
If you don't think communism means a stateless, classless society, you haven't yet provided your alternative definition - you've listed characteristics that you consider to be associated with it, but you even said yourself that you wouldn't define communism based on those characteristics
I told you from the start. Communism was never stateless
and I explained exactly why it can never be
to have true redistribution, you are required to do it by force, otherwise you would never have redistribution
Anarchists and other communists like MLs share the same end goal of the classless, stateless society, they just disagree on how to get there - "communism was never stateless" is once again a contradiction, because a society that isn't stateless can't be communistic
what do you mean by MLs?
Marxist-Leninists
communism already is an utopia by itself. But to believe that it could be achieved without a state goes to quite funny extreme of utopia
@Danacrag why would you ping me with that? when did i even state an opinion on that topic
ofc that you can believe that it would be ideal if everyone agrees on it. But it is required for everyone to believe the same thing as you
imagine if I said capitalism would work 100% if everyone agreed with my version of "true capitalism"
a system has to work even when it has enemies
In order for an anarchist society to work out, the vast majority of the people in that society have to be anarchists, sure, I never claimed that it would be easy to achieve
I don't think everyone has to agree on everything 100% but they have to agree on some basic anarchistic principles at least
even if true anarchy would exist. The ancaps would ruin you =p
idk why its so hard to go back and see what you pinged ppl with but w/e
Ancaps would be re-educated
hahahha
conversion therapy
There's a little @ symbol at the top right of discord that lets you scroll through past pings
i was being sarcastic
"I see." Said the blind man to his deaf wife
i hope so
@LustrousMandrill for curiosity, If you were in a full communist state. You would fight against said state to achieve anarchy?
No such thing as a "full communist state", but if it were a socialist state, yes, I'd still seek the abolition of the state
A socialist state would be a huge step in the right direction though
ya, the problem here is that for you communism is anarcho-communism. That's our only disagreement from the start
if you think communism can have/be a state then you probly dont really know what communism is
or you read to many fantasy books
🤦
this is such a boring topic
like I said above, there isn't any flavor of communism that existed that didn't rely on a big authoritarian state