no, would *you* rob the supermarket

The supermarket?

Let's see

depends on the supermarket

lol

probably not

i dunno

The food that arrives there travels by trade routes secured by the American military and navy

The government built the highways which carry the food to my supermarket

The supermarket stays in business because it knows that even if it is robbed it can go to the proper authorities

the problem with your argument is that you think that these things cant exist without government

I don't think that international trade routes can exist without government

just because our world functions through violence and coercion right now, doesnt mean it cant function without it

many people didnt think men could land on the moon either

again, youre equating probability with possibility

it cant

prove it?

thats like saying disprove god

but we can make statement of relative degrees of certainty

The fact hthat violence has always been a part of human civilization suggests it will probably always continue to be so

like we can show that almost every civilization had a state by which violence was used as a force to instill order

again, that doesnt cancel the posibility of self governance without a state

You can't compare "technological innovation" to "social order"

They're not the same thing

they arent

like dravidian civilizations barely had a military but they still had a force to instill order

but you cant use a longstanding trend to prove the status quo will remain that way

yeah but they suggesting it wont with little evidence is basically insane

im not saying that it wont

im saying that its possible that it might not

Of course it's possible

Who would deny that it's possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9VE3i-KcM

What I'm denying is that you can ever get to that point

isnt that the same thing?

the supermarket shipping thing reminded me of this video

seen it

Container ships are amazing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McLean

All pay respect to the inventor of the shipping container

the only two stroke engine that deserves to exist is diesel two strokes used in ships