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that doesnt mean the threat of violence doesnt exist
it just means i complied
not talking about being arrested
would you understand this better if i used the term force instead of violence
im talking about whether order can exist without violence
`and ive seen opposite` as have I
same logic applies to a class room
same thing
order can only be enforced through violence
Lots of anarchists and libertarians essentially believe in the idea of the "better angels of our nature"
no
That there truly is a real moral sentiment in humans
But there isn't
order can happen automatically
We're just animals
`order can happen automatically`
what
yeah
people self organize all the time
you see it in tons of disaster scenarios for example
do you know what automatically means?
That's true
earthquakes, tsunamis,
instead of chaos and anarchy, people help each other
true or false
Some people do
exactly
it happens
And some don't
doesnt matter how many times
Some become more violent
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it happens
if he means self organizations thats just coupling of people to improve their competitive collective advantage
Some use the opportunity to rob others or to commit violence
so this statement "literally every interaction you have in a civilization requires it" is proven false
it isnt automatically
Absolutely not
did someone tell them to?
@Deleted User okay please tell me this