no i understand because this argument is had every week in political discords and always ends in the guy assumes violence isnt necessary loses

so?

like hell, even Karl Marx advocated a militia

again, basing argument on precedence

can you get in voice?

sure

okay

Precedent is a great way to establish an argument

anyone else willing to join?

One example does not prove something true

I can also list plenty of examples of disasters which spawned crime

Not all people are actually violent, but there is a portion of the population which will behave in anti-social ways

The threat of violence isn't necessary in family and friendships but is necessary to bring together peoples who have no natural connection

Oh, joy

uhh can i go back to text?

yeah, my folks are complaining

its 2:am in the night

oh okay fair enough?

hahahaha

yeah sure

yup

Alright

My mic is broken

But like Lyoko my folks and sister are asleep and it's a small house, so I can't go on my phone

well it wouldnt be a case where people are forced out of labour

its a case where people have the choice to just not work

like something thats tantamount to the matrix, would it even be by definition a civilization?

@Loopy @Hamtaro Get in vc

@Lux💜

but why couldnt a computer controlled utopia be a society?

it could be a society

lmao why is lux jailed

she wanted to keep the tag

lewd

Wasn't the last episode just a clip show

IIRC

@Deleted User it could be considered a society but not a civilization i would argue

why not?

It would basically lack all the defining traits

such as?