tribes fought over hunting territories

you had full scale empires

with clear land ownership

lions fight for territory too

natives weren't ancoms

whats your point

is this going back to might = right?

why're you comparing natives to animals

I'm not on either side of this argument, but the Iroquois Confederacy basically centralised due to European arrival, so they had basic concepts of land property and acquisition and a need to represent themselves politically.

I haven't even made the point of might=right, you just go off tangents

cuz some of their behaviors such as tribalism and territorialism are animal like

oof

thats why i can make the comparison

alexei's animal-like too

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lol

im not saying the natives were perfect

im saying your argument of ownership of land based on exploitation makes no frikcing sense

I never made that argument lol

"land was untamed"

ya you did

Untamed = not in use. He's arguing negative ownership; that is, natives weren't utilizing the entirety of the continent, so it'd be fallacious to imply they were in ownership of it all.

okay fine

I think.

I dunno.

in that case the europeans should have used the land that werent being used

You go off on just random tangents and can't get the point I'm making which is that natives didn't own 100% of the landmass, and by your rule of first come first serve, the land is both used by Europeans and Natives specifically. The United States of America is a state for Europeans (hell if generous, for natives and to stretch it further even blacks)

Ideally speaking, blacks should go back to Africa to escape whites and build a better Africa.

instead they stole the land the natives had

why

they did use the land that wasnt being used

LOL

my rule of first come first serve was playing the devils advocate

oh

like i said, my personal belief is land should be owned by no one

so you're just dumb at this point

because theres no reason why you should do that

nah, you cant understand debates xD

You go off tangents

and make baseless accusations

the free marketplace of ideas has failed

yah