you brought it up LOL

they built canoes and huts and shit so yeah

they did

whats your point

like you said, they didnt exploit all of it

YOU brought up EXPLOITATION

cuz they understand the importance of nature

they believed what i believe, land isnt owned by anyone

no one was shoved out a vagene with the divine right to own the land

but

they had clear concepts of land ownership

nah they didnt

tribes fought over hunting territories

you had full scale empires

with clear land ownership

lions fight for territory too

natives weren't ancoms

whats your point

is this going back to might = right?

why're you comparing natives to animals

I'm not on either side of this argument, but the Iroquois Confederacy basically centralised due to European arrival, so they had basic concepts of land property and acquisition and a need to represent themselves politically.

I haven't even made the point of might=right, you just go off tangents

cuz some of their behaviors such as tribalism and territorialism are animal like

oof

thats why i can make the comparison

alexei's animal-like too

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lol

im not saying the natives were perfect

im saying your argument of ownership of land based on exploitation makes no frikcing sense

I never made that argument lol

"land was untamed"

ya you did

Untamed = not in use. He's arguing negative ownership; that is, natives weren't utilizing the entirety of the continent, so it'd be fallacious to imply they were in ownership of it all.

okay fine

I think.

I dunno.

in that case the europeans should have used the land that werent being used

You go off on just random tangents and can't get the point I'm making which is that natives didn't own 100% of the landmass, and by your rule of first come first serve, the land is both used by Europeans and Natives specifically. The United States of America is a state for Europeans (hell if generous, for natives and to stretch it further even blacks)

Ideally speaking, blacks should go back to Africa to escape whites and build a better Africa.

instead they stole the land the natives had

why