Message from @Tato
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They were belligerent faggots they caused it.
I've just proved you that's not true
Sanation government (same as the preceding ones tbh) was shitty, but there was nothing they could do
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
They should have ran with a government that wasn't so shit
The events leading up to the invasion spanned back years
It was a very complicated issue but ultimately the blame is on Poland
They maneuvered awfully from the start and what happened to them became inescapable as you said.
Had they been competent none of it would have turned out that way
Okay, but can you prove it somehow?
What exactly could they do better?
Also, just fyi, the sanation government wasn't elected, it was established by a military coup
Germans were just mad for treaty of Versailles and every German government was obviously anti-Polish, since their goal was always to annex territories lost because of the treaty
You blame them for that? The territories in particular they wanted were majority German
Except they weren't, I posted ethnic maps of central Europe here multiple times
Also, while Weimar governments only wanted the former Prussian land, NSDAP's government had all this "Lebensraum" and "pushing to east" ideology
So, yeah, Polish government could let Hitler annex Poland's territories and then let him slaughter 70-80% of the population (I don't remember the exact percentage, there was a planned percentage of every Slavic and Baltic nation that had to be exterminated or resetteled behind Ural)
But the only difference between that and irl scenario is that irl Poland tried to resist Hitler
So imo there still would be a WWII, just Poland would be in a much worse situation when the war would eventually end
I have to agree with Laure here. Poland wasn't "at fault" for Germany attacking. You act like Germany starting an offensive war would be a bad thing though.
Doesn't really matter about the reason imo, Hitler had every reason to attack Poland over his racial doctrine. Uniting the German people was more than enough on it's own.
What isn't justified is British response. Britain and France didn't have to start WWII.
They could've just walked away
And practiced the liberal democratic mantra of "mind your own business" but liberals hold no conviction.
Bound by treaty iirc
Which they had ignored
With Austria, Sudatenland, and Memel.
Hell Britain even fucking signed the document to give them Sudatenland
"Bound by treaty" after they had wiped their ass with it.
>Britain and France didn't have to start WWII
They had to, the treaty between UK, France and Poland was kind of different from the ones that established Versailles Order
You dont have to do anything even while bound by a treaty as they had made clear with Versailles.
And tbh, they realised that appeasement wasn't working at all
They did it too fucking late, but at least they did
Britain then decides to fight a world war over Poland and then doesn't even save it, puts it and several other countries under communist rule util the late 80's and 90's.
Also, you kind of forget, that Poland wasn't the only country he attacked before he invaded France
Danes, Norway
He would still attack USSR
Benelux
Yeah I know the reasoning why they did it. It doesn't justify Britain throwing Europe under the bus over Poland.
The USSR had every reason to do what they did. Hitler started a race war with them.
Britain had flimsy treaties that it picked when it was convenient to uphold.
Tbh neither France nor Britain did much, they are even blamed for betrayal and breach of treatie, because they didn't really attacked Germany after it started the war (although they kind of had right to do so according to the treaties)
All Britain was out for was the fucking international finance system, they weren't even out for themselves because they fucking gave up the empire immediately afterwards after going bankrupt buying illegally produced US military "surplus".
I mean, we shall consider the whole "French offensive" a fucking joke and pretend it wasn't a thing
Yeah
Fuck the allies
The absolute worst most garbage faction in WWII.