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with mentions of axl accessories, I thought, where does the AVS stand with current PCs? my understanding it's considerably more bulkier than other offerings with its accessories. also popular with airsofters.

Not memeing, just genuinely curious.

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tbh the harness doesn't have much appeal for most users and arguably loses benefits with lighter plates

micro harness seems to be a good median though 🤷🏿

it's not just plate weight that the harness is good for

Yeah I know

the micro harness is basically just padding

which the platebag already has

it's just in a more sensible place relative to the cummerbund

cause normally with the AVS cummerbund and no harness you have the cummerbund routed inside the platebag

between the padding and your body

which defeats the purpose somewhat

Yeah

But even then, the whole bulkiness of the AVS and it's harness is unnecessary in most cases

idk i would not buy an AVS except if it were for some kind of clone correct larp meme

i agree that it's not necessary for the vast majority of users

I'd even argue that it's unnecessary for basically everyone

i mean possibly

i don't carry retarded heavy loads on mine so idk how much comfort it really adds

The area and bulk that the AVS harness adds would be better off being soft armor 🤷🏿

AERO niggas can't die so...

i mean soft armor is still heavier and there is a big area of overlap between the harness and the platebag

Eh

anyways idk i wouldn't buy a AVS

But that's your opinion which doesn't validate or invalidate it's legitimacy as a "good carrier" in 2019

true

Like functionally, Crye doesn't make a "medium" carrier

wym medium

like a 6094?

Yeah kinda

Like an AERO, Strandhogg, etc

JPC being a "light" carrier

true but you can easily turn a JPC into something like that

literally just add shoulder pads and padding to the inside face of the platebags

fair enough

can you add crye padding to the JPC 🤔

I would say the AVS is still marginally more comfortable than my 6094

@Einhänder what do you think about the AVS since you asked

Yeah the AVS is definitely comfortable but the harness isn't that big of a game changer and arguably unnecessary vs side padding from the micro harness or just normal padding like the aero

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I'm skeptical as to how well the Harness actually performs in terms of load-bearing. Sure there probably an engineering argument/evidence can be made about weight destribution, but you're still adding more weight onto the individual.

Combined with other accessories such as the stkss, I haven't been really able to find good enough metrics besides anecdotal evidence as to if the harness justifies a loaded AVS being almost 2x the price of a Strandhogg. Hence that's why I'm asking around.

I do think AXL adding tubes and a velcro flaps does help the AVS & Strandhogg modernize for a lot of rigs/accessories, so there's that.